Player Features and Ideas Discussion

"Listen better"? This is a forum. We read here. All you said was "the first iteration worked" which I (apparently) misinterpreted to mean the original design. "Proposal" would have been a much better choice of vocabulary.

So how do you think the first balance proposal was better? Because it was "more likely to be shield tanked"?

Love the new Dominix! It makes sense to focus on drones. Have you guys also considered a drone range control bonus for it? It makes sense and the Ishtar has it.

FU leave the domi alone !!! I had a reason to fit hybrids, now all you'll ever see is domis with projectiles.

Also usuck, and don't fix stuff that ain't broken

My personal experiences with the changes to the Dominix were pleasant. I did feel it needed more control range and a bigger drone bay.
As far as the damage went, it was good damage at many different ranges, with only a problem area between 20~40Km.
I was using 350mm Railgun II and Curator II

The Dominix while ain't broken at the current state, it will be overshadowed with the new changes to Battleships, more specifically the Apocalypse.

The loss of Hybrid damage boost will only cripple the already low blaster/railgun damage in trade of something new.

The problem is while the Apoc gets a new role in PvP scenarios as a extremely useful energy neut ship with its dps focused on drones, the dominix will get a good bonus to tracking and optimal range leaving some mid slots open that would be fitted with omnidirectional links, but that's it, a buff to a single role of the dominix, the sentry sniper.

Either CCP Rise takes a look at something refreshing, already stated before me in this thread, either Remote Repair, access to Drone control units or something else, or add more utility to heavy drones, like for example bonus microwarp speed to drones.

And please a little more breathing space to Kii2 (CCP Rise), he's new to his job and he's doing a good work by showing his intended changes open to feedback.

1) Are you serious? You just changed my life.

2) Yeah I'd rather control range or DLAs get boosted as to giving the Dominix itself a special bonus.

Gallente ships are short range, high damage, drone/hybrid boats. Everyone who flies Gallente specializes in hybrids and drones. Not sentries, mind you.
I think I plugged in the sentry skill when I hit 50 mil SP or so. Why?
I hate missions (and PvE in general).
Turret ships, even with rails, are massively better for sniping. Even after the prposed bonus, the situation won't change. The "scoop drones" mechanic is just not working well if I have to fly around, or if I am in fleet.
Last but not least, this long-range pea-shootery is *not* why I chose to train Gallente in the first place.

The new Domi bonuses mean that you more or less *have* to use it with sentries. Range and tracking bonuses only apply to non-sentry drones in a very, very limited set of situations. I can't even think of anything reasonable, and I have not seen any specific examples brought up by the proponents of this change.




Yes, that will show these rats!

How good (or bad) a ship is for missions/PvE is irrelevant, as we are discussing ship balance here. It is not about having a new mission boat that you can drive with your Gallente SP. You can PvE in any ship. The rats will die. It is certain as death and taxes.

The Domi should be a viable option to Geddon, Scorp and Typhoon. It is now, but after reading this thread, I am training Amarr. Geddon is that much better. As is Typhoon (both before and after) and Scorp (it is unique, and it is not being nerfed).

And to whoever said that "fitting blasters will still be more damaging", try getting in range with the new mass increase. Also, unlike projectiles, blasters have tracking issues, use both cap and ammo, and only do thermal/kinetic. There is a well-known and wise fitting rule: if a ship has no weapon bonus, fit projectiles.
People came up with this for a good reason.




Dear CCP Rise, you did such a great job on cruisers and frigs. Can you please return to this thread and give some feedback? I only see a few people happy with the "new" Domi here, and these guys, judging from their comments, are mostly mission runners.

Quoting Grendell from Page 3. Likely the best post in this whole threadnaught.
The more I think about these changes, the more upsetting they are.
Gallente BS did not really deserve a nerf, as they were not that great to start with. With the (overall) boosts the other races get, why would I want to fly Gallente, except that I have already wasted my SPs?

I don't even need to go on the test server to know that PvP with sentries and 350s is terrible (except for a few niche situations).

It is also obvious that the whole concept of "ship balance" is based on PvP, not shooting rats. That is, no single race should be OMGWTFBBQWIN, and no race should be useless.

This rule is silly (and AC do not have more tracking than blasters, actually, neutron blasters have 20% more tracking than 800mm AC).

People fit AC when they don't care about their weapon, or don't want to use cap for them.

If you want to hurt your ennemy, blasters are better : electron blaster do more damage than 800mm AC up to 5km.
If you want to hit far, pulse laser are better : Dual heavy pulse do more damage than 800mm AC at 7km, and Dual Heavy Beam do more damage than 800mm AC at 14km.

Yes, I'm using the worse weapons possible to compare to 800mm AC. What these weapons don't have is capless use and versatility. But if you use AC for another reason than capless use or versatility, that's either because you don't care about the guns performances of your ship, or you don't know what you are doing.

Also, 800mm AC use the most PG of all the weapons I compared it to, but a little less CPU (4Tf less than the most cpu intensive of them).

There is no reason to use AC now if you didn't used them before, appart from the psychological barrier of the old bonus. In this regard, the Dominix earn a LOT of versatility.