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Odyssey Faction Ships: Amarr vs. Minmatar
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Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#1 - 2013-04-18 21:04:18 UTC
Who do you think comes out ahead with the new updates?

Amarr:

Navy Harbinger - Serious EHP upgrade. Fifth Mid. Tracking and 10% damage bonus. Very sexy.
Navy Omen - Stabber with 40km Scorch? This isn't my cup of tea per se but I sold four for 75m in under 10 minutes. Cool
Navy Augorer - 60-70k EHP with 6.75 turret equivalents and two medium neutralizers. This is my cup of tea. Armor Phantasm.
Navy Slicer - A bit easier to fit.

Minmatar:

Fleet Issue Cane - It has the EHP upgrades but the whole 'old Cane' for 4x-5x the price is a bit unoriginal and frustrating.
Fleet Issue Stabber - Good ship but it's speed is being nerfed a bit.
Fleet Issue Scythe - Great speed and DPS.
Republic Fleet Firetail - A nice damage buff and easier to fit.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#2 - 2013-04-18 21:53:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Cearain
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
Who do you think comes out ahead with the new updates?

Amarr:

Navy Harbinger - Serious EHP upgrade. Fifth Mid. Tracking and 10% damage bonus. Very sexy.
Navy Omen - Stabber with 40km Scorch? This isn't my cup of tea per se but I sold four for 75m in under 10 minutes. Cool
Navy Augorer - 60-70k EHP with 6.75 turret equivalents and two medium neutralizers. This is my cup of tea. Armor Phantasm.
Navy Slicer - A bit easier to fit.

Minmatar:

Fleet Issue Cane - It has the EHP upgrades but the whole 'old Cane' for 4x-5x the price is a bit unoriginal and frustrating.
Fleet Issue Stabber - Good ship but it's speed is being nerfed a bit.
Fleet Issue Scythe - Great speed and DPS.
Republic Fleet Firetail - A nice damage buff and easier to fit.



I can't really tell until I put it in eft. So all this is just hunches (and from a solo perspective):

I was thinking the firetail was going to be great. But now I'm not so sure the dps boost will make it competitive.

I'm sort of interested in the amarr cruisers but the idea of an omen as a large slow slicer doesn't really seem that great.
edit: maybe highs turrets plus 1 med neut, mids mwd cap booster and disrupter, with 7 lows it might be good with a dcu, 2 nanos, 2 heatsinks, 1te, and ??

Scythe looks better imo. It might have niche.

Navy Auger would be great for solo but 3 mids is a problem for a ship that both needs cap and has poor tracking. Web, ab and drop booster probably still won't allow you to hit frigates and afs. Especially if even one has a td.

TBH I haven't even tried to analyze the last changes to regular bcs let alone the faction ones. But I agree an old hurricane at 5xs the price when all the other ships have been buffed? Thats a hard sell imo.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Caldarian Mercenary
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-04-18 22:04:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Caldarian Mercenary
Fleet Cane is hilarious. Minmatar pilots deserve this kind of crap after they got CCP to do the great projectile buff of 2009 without taking into account ac fittings and other advantages or the fact that ships like the rifter, jaguar, thrasher, sabre, rupture and hurricane where already the best or second best in their class. Notice how the hybrid changes last year are nowhere near that level.
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#4 - 2013-04-18 23:14:22 UTC
Two medium neuts should do wonders shutting opponents down with the Navy Aug.
kraiklyn Asatru
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-04-18 23:54:19 UTC
Been training Amarr for a bit now, not all golden spacedildos will be loyal to the empress Twisted
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#6 - 2013-04-19 00:08:58 UTC
Navy aug can get way more EHP that you post without sacrificing anything really..

If i recall the fit i made (that had close to 500 dps) had almost 90k ehp. its going to be a really nice ship.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#7 - 2013-04-19 02:44:15 UTC
I believe in the one true ship type. Ibanez-Amarrian Ships.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#8 - 2013-04-19 03:10:17 UTC
Sean Parisi wrote:
I believe in the one true ship type. Ibanez-Amarrian Ships.




CCP will nerf Amarr ships now.

Everything else we've sat in for the last 6 months has been or is being Fozzied.

https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney
2manno Asp
Death By Design
#9 - 2013-04-19 03:13:35 UTC  |  Edited by: 2manno Asp
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
Who do you think comes out ahead with the new updates?

Amarr:

Navy Harbinger - Serious EHP upgrade. Fifth Mid. Tracking and 10% damage bonus. Very sexy.
Navy Omen - Stabber with 40km Scorch? This isn't my cup of tea per se but I sold four for 75m in under 10 minutes. Cool
Navy Augorer - 60-70k EHP with 6.75 turret equivalents and two medium neutralizers. This is my cup of tea. Armor Phantasm.
Navy Slicer - A bit easier to fit.

Minmatar:

Fleet Issue Cane - It has the EHP upgrades but the whole 'old Cane' for 4x-5x the price is a bit unoriginal and frustrating.
Fleet Issue Stabber - Good ship but it's speed is being nerfed a bit.
Fleet Issue Scythe - Great speed and DPS.
Republic Fleet Firetail - A nice damage buff and easier to fit.


slicer - meh
firetail - winner. more speed, more dps.

navy cruisers - favor amarr imo. with tracking enhancer nerfs and hull issues, i think amarr hulls got that much better.

still, 1 tracking disruptor and they're all ****. get a missle ship and web to go with it.
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#10 - 2013-04-19 03:25:40 UTC
E-war missile boats are pretty squishy.
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#11 - 2013-04-19 04:07:20 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
Sean Parisi wrote:
I believe in the one true ship type. Ibanez-Amarrian Ships.




CCP will nerf Amarr ships now.

Everything else we've sat in for the last 6 months has been or is being Fozzied.




Let's get gallente ships nerfed next
Deacon Abox
Black Eagle5
#12 - 2013-04-19 04:27:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Deacon Abox
Super Chair wrote:
IbanezLaney wrote:
Sean Parisi wrote:
I believe in the one true ship type. Ibanez-Amarrian Ships.




CCP will nerf Amarr ships now.

Everything else we've sat in for the last 6 months has been or is being Fozzied.




Let's get gallente ships nerfed next

Please. CCP must nerf the overpowered active armor bonuses on both the Brutix and the Myrm, and replace those bonuses with something of no use. That **** is going to ruin the game if it goes live on tranquility. It will be Gallente BCs everywhere all the time. Stop the madness.Straight

Oh this was about navy ships? Minmatar and Amarr? Meh I doubt I'll be buying either. But I know everyone will want to buy those Navy Brutixes, even if they don't have the kick-ass active armor bonus.

CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting off button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.

IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#13 - 2013-04-19 05:06:17 UTC
Deacon Abox wrote:
Super Chair wrote:
IbanezLaney wrote:
Sean Parisi wrote:
I believe in the one true ship type. Ibanez-Amarrian Ships.




CCP will nerf Amarr ships now.

Everything else we've sat in for the last 6 months has been or is being Fozzied.




Let's get gallente ships nerfed next

Please. CCP must nerf the overpowered active armor bonuses on both the Brutix and the Myrm, and replace those bonuses with something of no use. That **** is going to ruin the game if it goes live on tranquility. It will be Gallente BCs everywhere all the time. Stop the madness.Straight

Oh this was about navy ships? Minmatar and Amarr? Meh I doubt I'll be buying either. But I know everyone will want to buy those Navy Brutixes, even if they don't have the kick-ass active armor bonus.



I'm looking forward to the Navy BC's.

I just hope there are more Large Plexes made to spawn too so we can have a use for them.

https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#14 - 2013-04-19 06:28:35 UTC
I have a few LP's just sitting waiting for the new navy Harby Twisted

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#15 - 2013-04-19 06:39:51 UTC
I look forward to gouging, I mean selling, Amarr navy ships to the public.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#16 - 2013-04-19 08:38:21 UTC
Great to finally have faction battlecruisers.

does not really matter what ships they will bring, some are better than others and people will use those.

But overall new changes to BS are interesting, sad thing is that cheap smart bomb BS will be history, also lowered resist bonuses may cause that alpha gets boost, on the other hand nerf for TE can balance that a bit.

Sad thing after all these changes is that i have couple hundred fitted ships with outdated fit so effort to make all those work again is too much.
Meditril
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#17 - 2013-04-19 09:58:06 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
Who do you think comes out ahead with the new updates?

Amarr:

Navy Harbinger - Serious EHP upgrade. Fifth Mid. Tracking and 10% damage bonus. Very sexy.
Navy Omen - Stabber with 40km Scorch? This isn't my cup of tea per se but I sold four for 75m in under 10 minutes. Cool
Navy Augorer - 60-70k EHP with 6.75 turret equivalents and two medium neutralizers. This is my cup of tea. Armor Phantasm.
Navy Slicer - A bit easier to fit.

Minmatar:

Fleet Issue Cane - It has the EHP upgrades but the whole 'old Cane' for 4x-5x the price is a bit unoriginal and frustrating.
Fleet Issue Stabber - Good ship but it's speed is being nerfed a bit.
Fleet Issue Scythe - Great speed and DPS.
Republic Fleet Firetail - A nice damage buff and easier to fit.


The Firetail really needs this buff. If this is enough, no idea. As you have seen yesterday I always die when I am going for brawling... and the buff of the Firetail doesn't significantly improve its kiting ability.

The Fleet Issue Scythe is already a great ship if you know how to use it. The changes will change its role a bit, but they sound very promising. However, since cruisers are limited to medium plexes it will still be of limited use for me. (These where good times when you where able to enter small plexes with a cruisers...)

Fleet Issue Cane: WTF? You spend sooo much money and you can only use it in large plexes which are rare like gold. I personally do not see any use of BC/BS in faction warefare for me.

See you on the battlefield.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#18 - 2013-04-19 13:18:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Cearain
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
Two medium neuts should do wonders shutting opponents down with the Navy Aug.


Will it then need a cap booster instead of a web? If you are fighting 2 frigates and one has a Nos to keep a scram on you will you be able to hit them- even if they can't run an ab? Or will you slowly die like a sick cow?

I really don't know the answer to these questions. I am just wondering.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#19 - 2013-04-19 15:35:20 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
Two medium neuts should do wonders shutting opponents down with the Navy Aug.


Will it then need a cap booster instead of a web? If you are fighting 2 frigates and one has a Nos to keep a scram on you will you be able to hit them- even if they can't run an ab? Or will you slowly die like a sick cow?

I really don't know the answer to these questions. I am just wondering.


My vision is AB, cap booster, scram for plex warfare. If you have 60k to 90k EHP you also have lots of time to call for help from buds for those embarrassing Rifter moments. Blink
Ginger Barbarella
#20 - 2013-04-19 21:27:43 UTC
Deacon Abox wrote:
That **** is going to ruin the game if it goes live on tranquility. It will be Gallente BCs everywhere all the time. Stop the madness.


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