Warfare & Tactics

- Glitch


So, what you saw is what FW could be if people actualy engaged in Sov war more often, instead of 'I'll lead a frig roam to to Aeschee"

now you can go back to roaming around or try and replicate same situation somewhere else.

This.

The OP is moaning over nothing. For months I was someone in US TZ that had to dplex in Nenna while you constantly sought to "have fun", risking us all having to move our **** out of Nenna if the percentage had gone too high. I occasionally would log on during the day and see EU people just sitting in the station while the system was being offensive plexed. There were your good fights right there for the taking with no need to "roam" 20 jumps. You would wait for early US TZ people to log on and take out a roam to some totally stupid place like Tama or Suj to fight pirates that weren't imperiling us in any way.

I then moved to JUSTK and Vlill and had loads of content because the attitude was so much better. Defensive formups and actually sitting in the plexes waiting for the other side to try to take it from us. Battles both outnumbered and outnumbering, Evoke in Eha. That was plenty of pvp and contest of plexing. This for better or worse CCP has designed the current mechanics of FW around. And the EU guys were great as I experienced first hand when occasionally I could log on and play during EU prime. They would ninja, they would scrape and claw, divert attention through offensive plexing another system, whatever they had to do to keep Eha. And when the hour or so of US slowly building numbers came there would be good fights with Evoke in Eha.

Squids tried to take Nenna. People resisted and plexed Enaluri to give them something else to also think about. The minnis came and tilted the balance. So what. It could have just as easily been another evoke or gorgon empire or some other entity that might have tilted what balance there was the other way. That is what the game is about. Nothing sad about it. Nothing to regret.

If you want fights make your corp move **** to another station and get the fights in their new homes since they have left Enaluri. Neither side has to play game park overseer as well as contestant in this. The ecology will take care of itself. People play this game for different reasons. But, speaking as one who focuses on securing a home, don't go crying, if folks who kept your roaming **** safe and relieved you of the necessity to pack and move the mounds of that **** you undoubtedly have in Nenna, did a very good job.

Well, let's be honest. Most people treat Squiddies like practice dummies because they are disorganized and don't have alot of unified resources. This is why alot of Gallente pilots are sad to see them leave. Not because it was any great competition. But because they miss their pets and racking up kills. I think they may have 2-3 FCs who will lead unified semi-public fleets? Super, Gavin, who else?

So I don't see how the burden falls on us when it's up to them to improve upon their own organizational infrastructure. Does anybody remember about a year ago where the state of Gallente FCs were? I do. We had none. The old guard left or moved on. People thought Red Sonya was our best FC. LMAO. And now we have about a dozen FCs. Not to mention all the backseat FCs as well :)

I remember when I had to cajole Glitch into FCing for EU timezone when we made a Tier 5 pre-Retribution push. I wasn't even asking him to shoot players but to shoot structures. He was so hesitant, unsure of himself, and giving me pushback. But look at him now. He's wanting moar WTs to FC against. You come a long way Glitch...as have Gallente ;)

BM- How much isk does Gallente need to raise and give to you so you can stop talking about farming?

I don't mind him talking about farming. Farming is too easy atm.

I do mind him somehow insinuating that it is the determining factor in warzone control and that it is a one sided problem. Because I sure have seen many, too many, Caldari farming alts. Caldari had/have had for years built in advantages (ewar, missile mechanics both ways, more desirable faction ships, a better map to work with, etc) that attracted so many. Some of that has been rebalanced away, some still has not. There is always the potential for the hordes of stabbed cloaked merlins and condors to reappear/build up again. Caldari numbers have always been higher than Gallente.

But not as bad as the Amarr/Minmatar numerical difference. The folks I actually have sympathy for are the Amarr. Their numerical position really sucks. Probably the backstory problem. Most people simply don't want to roleplay or even be associated with a religious nutjob human slave proponent. If CCP could fix/mute that in some way but still provide motivations to the factions it would go a long way with repairing the imbalance. Possibly even more than helping out the current minmatar ship advantages. Because in truth that has been addressed somewhat for a while with the desirability of Napocs and Slicers for a pvp market that will replenish itself through inevitable losses (a la SFIs) but to no avail as far as gaining numbers for Amarr.

Btw, cloaks I don't mind. Incredibly fun to warp into a plex to kill a plexer. Not see him because he cloaked. Listen to the rage in local as you proceed to dplex away his hoped for farming. Realize he is very very slowly moving to a safe range to uncloak and warp out.

Warp stabs though, should negate the ability to cloak as another drawback to fitting them . And in general the existing drawbacks on them could be strengthened to make them a really really disabling mod for anything other than travel fitting.

Yes and no. I mean, I see your point, but playing with the big boys and fighting for occupancy against caldari are two very different skillsets. Sure, they meet here and there, but I've done both this year, and one can not teach you anything about the other.

Fighting the big boys is about getting intel, knowing how and when to use your heavy assets and beeing able to assemble a blob fast. Fighting for occupancy is about grid awerness, knowing plexing mechanics, and beeing able to spread and coordinate small mobile groups of people

That beeing said, I agree that challenging yourself is the way to go and if you set to do something, might aswell try and do it to the best of your abilities.

Time scales, shiptypes, tactics, etc.. will differ, but the discipline to get into the right ships for the job as quickly as possible is a key feature that defines a successful pvp corp anywhere in Eve.

If I was a squid, instead of going all "oh my yes thank you Glitch for proposing that dady Gallente stop spaking us and give us a system to live in" I'd suspect he was a troll and feel kinda insulted.

You guys posting here going all "pls don't kick us out the next system we go to cause you'll lose your punching doll" are doing a diservice to the fighting squids I've faced over the years, and are a ******* insult to squids corps and alliances that have kicked gallente ass in the past.

Just saying.

This is example what I meant a couple posts before and it has to do with selective picking of information and generalization from it.

I can sometimes log in from work. While not really playing I take a look at what's going on in intel channels. I see for example EU Nenna go for a fight against squids, get sandwiched between squids and pies, lose the fight and not having enough people to go back to the small or medium or whatever plex they just say "**** it we don't have enough letś roam" and that's EXACTLY what they should do.

Or I see the intel channels light up with people saying "we are going for round 4 on that small".

Then I see someone logging 2 hours after that and going "well the EU nenna is doing nothing". Argh.

People let their very narrow and personal experience color their opinion. That's fine. What is NOT fine is taking that neccesarily narrow experience and generalizing it: that is, applying it to everything and everyone else.

I'd for example agree that it is unjust to accuse EU nenna of "not deplexing enough". Now consider this: you did the same thing (generalization) with the OP. In fact, tons of people are doing that in this thread. Hence my first post in this here thread.

Damnit, looks like Heyd Moon 19 is off the list for now. So much for Caldari failcascading into oblivion. /me dusting off my Derp Atron fleet.