Player Features and Ideas Discussion

in all honesty im not to sure about this idea.

PI builds a lot of items already that are used to produce other items such as T2 mods + ships or even pos parts and is also used in fueling pos's.

I can understand that with more people doing it prices might drop however they will always stay at a certain level.

I'll give you a quick break down on some of the stuff produced from PI

robotics - fuel, railguns II, blaster II, arty cannons II, auto cannons II, Beam Laser II, pulse laser II, missile launcher II, drones II, Armor repair system II

I admit some of them aren't as needed as robotics but you can clearly see from that alone that there is a lot needed to cover all those modules

so using the term minor usage in tech 2 production isn't exactly right is it?

also minor usage in starbase fuel too?

Coolant, Enriched Uranium, Mechanical Parts, Oxygen and Robotics are all produced from PI which are materials for pos fuel.

I really don't see any need for PI to produce more then what it is thus far......

I disagree entirely, I'm afraid.

Meta modules drop as loot. That works fine at the moment.

PI materials are, as you've stated yourself, used to produce tech II stuff, POS stuff and POS fuel. What does it matter what the proportion is?

And having make a lot of POS fuel, you do need a fair old amount of PI produce. It's not negligible.

On top of that, PI produces PI produce. To say you can only make tech II things and POS things is incorrect. If you want me to send you the list of everything you can make with PI let me know and I'll forward it. Just because a lot of it is sub components of other things doesn't mean you can't produce and sell them.

It's not a matter of being offended. It's a matter of being pointless.

There is already a perfectly good source of meta items. There are already perfectly good commodities that can be built from PI materials. If you don't want to build what you can from it then figure out what sub component makes the most cash, build them and sell them.

I mean, what exactly are you going to do with all these meta items you built from PI material? Sell them, right? So all it is is an isk making machine which means you can just use what's already there to make isk and not affect the market in meta item loot.

Also, if you allow meta loot to be made you'll drop the value of the meta loot meaning that it won't be even remotely worth making meta loot with PI material meaning very few ever will.

What benefit is there in allowing meta loot to be made with PI material other than "I want to"?

EDIT - more choice isn't really an answer, either, as industrialists have the choice of what to produce now. You're asking to have a choice as to what the resource materials of an end product is. In other words, you're asking to be able to make anything with PI materials rather than mined materials because you have to put little to no effort into gathering the resources. Or at least this is what I presume from your initial post and your subsequent rather sulky post.

So you're happy with pretty much completely removing the concept of a salvaging profession from the game? Something that new players freshly joining a corp can have useful input on? You're happy for all those people out there who actively like gathering and selling loot (like you like gathering resources and making stuff to sell) to suddenly lose that from the game so you have a bit more variety?

Whilst I can see where you're coming from you appear to be ignoring all the knock on effects of your proposal. Without mitigating those negative effects in one way or another I simply don't see the net gain here other than an "I want" demand.

As a suggestion on a compromise, just off the top of my head, if you made it so Meta 1 & 2 could be crafted (and don't drop as loot) and Meta 3 & 4 dropped from loot (and so you had less loot drop but it still does and is better quality when it does) then I could be behind your suggestion but screwing over salvagers to allow you to make more stuff with your PI materials simply because you want to I can't get behind.

The reason I have an issue with it is that you're completely ignoring the fact that there is a healthy market in PI sub components which you can build and sell at the moment. Because you say you want more variety because you want to sell more stuff but you don't want to sell PI subcomponents it does just seem like this is a badly thought out demand for a change simply because you want it rather than because it would be good for the game as a whole.

I have no problem with demand on PI subcomponents. It depends whether you pick something that sells well or you pick something that doesn't. I also build PI stuff and yeah, I've no issue with selling my wares.

Salvaging doesn't equal looting, no. I meant salvaging as in the profession. ie, salvaging+looting.

Yes, we do disagree. I'll leave it at that. Good luck with your request.