Warfare & Tactics

Missing the point. I am neither too poor nor unable to train one. I choose not to use them as I feel it is a form of bending the original intent of PvP in this game. It give great advantage to one pilot over another, with no recognition of that advantage showing anywhere. It just needs to be shown on a kill mail. I play this game as a solo pilot, occasionally in fleets, and when I lose to a boosted pilot it should be shown that way. That's all I'm saying.

I'm amazed how people take my original post as whining. It shows that those saying that don't truly understand what they are talking about, or maybe what they are reading.

All I'm saying is that the boost should show up on the KM because IT DOES greatly contribute to the ability of the ship being boosted.

And to Crosi above, not at all. A variety of different ships and fits and variables is great. I'm not even really saying OGB isn't a valid tactic because CCP allows it so therefore it's part of the game.

Just don't call it solo. If all your kills come with you being boosted your not a very good pilot IMO

So let's fix that problem by making it worse.

How about no and people actually work for their intel.

People used that same argument before Falcons got nerfed too.

Well Falcons couldn't jam from off grid so I don't think it's the same. Besides falcon alts are typically unneeded in today's game because OGB are so OP. You don't see falcon alts nearly as often as you used to, well unless you go to Mara

It's the fact that people think they will be bringing them from off grid to on grid, I don't see that happening. If it does I will be very surprised.

Dude your referencing the economy of the game, and it has nothing to do with the post. Listing implants in a pilots head would be appropriate IF those implants added to the ability and operational characteristics of the ship itself.

In effect, ANY contributing factor influencing both (or all) combatants of an engagement should be shown. I know this is unrealistic and CCP will most likely never do it, but it is a logical idea, if you are of the belief that all info relating to the participants of a fight should be shown.

What started this post is me raging after a CNH nailed my 10mn arty thrasher in a 1v1 (or so I thought). His shields dropped in about 3-4 cycles of my arty, and then I proceeded to watch as his armor - a frigates armor regardless of it being faction or not - took at least 10 cycles of my arty at a range of 10 klicks. I know because he had me dual webbed as I burned away and I had him webbed as well so we locked each other together at 10. Any non- boosted "vanilla" CNH would not have survived that and the other guy even admitted it in local and acted all elite.

He very simply is not the better pilot in that situation because he needed his booster to win. Bullshit.

If you know anything about ships and modules, you will know very quickly when someone is using pirate implants and ogb's. Confirmation of this is not needed. At least Nex was honest about it being an ego thing. Personally i will come clear about my boosts/implants with no hesitation, for example : edited for Rule violation

34. Posting of kill reports outside of the Crime & Punishment forum channel is prohibited.

So going back to my earlier post, i engaged and killed a keres while inside engagement range of 2 hostile Gilas and a Rupture. Shouldnt they, also be reported on the km for ego purposes? Shouldnt all information be spoon-fed and events depicted in KM's beyond any interpretation ?

Or should we all practice some measure experience based intelligence when looking at peoples killboards/mails?

As for the CNH pilot, he killed your 10mn AB thrasher. He is the better pilot on the day. He brought what was needed to kill your ship and scored the added bonus of you rage also.

Whether we should or should not have a record of the combat (killmail) is a different issue than the op raises.

The op is saying that since we we have killmails, they should be accurate. People against the op's proposal are just saying they want killmails to continue to give misleading information about the battle.

And really whether the links are on grid, or off grid doesn't change this issue. The killmails should still be accurate.

If I beat a t1 frigate with a t1 frigate the killmail should show that. If I beat a t1 frigate with a t1 frigate and loki the killmail should show that as well.

I think everyone in the fleet involved should show on the KM if they are in the same system. If i go up against another ship and loose because he had a booster I would like to know I was actually fighting against 2. If you choose to use a booster you should be sharing the points with them as they did help out. If you used a cloaky alt to sneak up on me so you can get a good warp in.. it was a two man job and should be reflected as such. Are you truly that much better than another player player if you have a booster? if he brought a friend and you lost to him and his friend.. is that really 2v1.. or 2v2.. you chose to bring a booster and not another pilot????

I also think drone loses should be recorded as losses to the pilot. Almost every fleet determines its success by loss of isk, so if I say kill 10 fighters and loose my caracal.. I clearly won the isk war...

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