Crime & Punishment

3 Possibilities Tah'ris:

1. Troll
2. He is an AWOX'er hoping that corpies and/or others will shot him so that he can laugh while they are Concorded
3. He is clueless.

I've never done Awoxing and I generally don't approve of it, especially against newbs, but outlawing it is a bit too much. It takes a lot of time and effort to do it well. It isn't easy to do against people who are prudent in how they screen new applicants. The reason it shouldn't be outlawed is that for a lot of people it adds a sense of danger to the game. If you get rid of that, something important gets lost. Even carebear corps need that sense of immersion that a bit of danger brings to the game. Its something essential to the character of the game.

Outlawing everything "bad" isn't the answer. The answer is to be on your toes and aware of who you are accepting into your corp. For many people, running corp security, being paranoid, running surveillance and intelligence and counter intelligence can be an enjoyable thing to take part in. If you have never tried that part of the game, I'd recommend it. Looking for spies and Awoxers is fun. Hunting for bad guys is fun.

I do support some new tools that could be used to vet out AWOXers:

Financial Analysis and Market Analysis Agents

Think something akin to locator agents that provide large wallet transactions and market orders on any character
(appropriate cost & limitations need to be determined).

However, actually investigating anyone that joins your corp is the "optimal" means to thwart AWOXers. In truth, I find spy stories and the massive destruction they wrought an amazing and entertaining aspect of EvE, and I certainly don't want them eliminated!!!!

Awoxing serves a functional purpose. A PvP corp can start 2 fleets, engage each other for practice, and not have to jump through suspect flag hoops. It also allows for internal free-for-all events.

Additionally, it is a form of security. Corp thief is trying to steal a ship, awox him.

Look, just because a mining corp may not feel a mechanic is of value does not mean others may find it useful.

If you can not root out a spy, either your group has a terrible intel officer or you are just incompentent to the point of having no business in possessing any management roles. Just because I am a nice guy, I will give you a free one. If you suspect an info leak in your corporation, run a Canary Cage op. "Leak" different information to different people and whatever shows up on enemy intel channels or gets used shows you who your spy is. If you need someone to hold your hand and give you tools to do basic counter-espionage, then you have no hope in the field.

So CCP took Red vs. Blue out and shot them? And PvP training corps will not be able to train in highsec?

Again, CCP breaks important stuff to try to make carebears happy.

Not that this will stop an AWOXer in the slightest. Carebears either never come out to fight, or they comeout with loser fits and die. And damned near no one except a PvPer will even try to shoot at someone with a suspect flag. It will only screw with people trying to train PvP skills.

I approve this message, and agree with it in its entirety. (The quoted one, not the OP.) We outed an awoxer in our alliance today. Solution? Kill the awoxer. And while it's true, they can be disruptive and damaging, they are a part of Eve, and a part of the real world. The solution is never to take away the things that make up what Eve is, but to be smarter than your enemies, and to get back up should you ever get knocked down.

trust me their is nothing to stop chowoxing

This in fact sounds like a business opportunity. How much would the bigger alliances pay to have professional clean recorded experienced spaies and awoxers? If I was Awox, I would use that character as front man for adverting. You can hire freelance merc, why not freelance spai networks? You set them goals, agree on a price and timeframe and pay over the ISK.

For the bigger ones, you get the culprit to come out on the forum and announce they are part of the "007 awox underground" or whatever and and claim credit for the devastation!

Another way to approach this is to use the small business maxim: Run your business like you are building it up to sell it on the market. Only, change the maxim to: run your corp like you are building it to scam everybody who joins out of all their hard earned ISK.

Some tactics:
1. Make a socialist corp and tell everyone that joins they get their ships and fittings free and to support that the tax rate it 75%. Make them store all the corp shared ships in the corp hangars. Set a value point before you start at how much money you want to make (eg 100 billion in assets or 1000 billion etc). When it get to that point, sack all the directors and kick everyone out of the corp. Sell everything. No awoxers here.

2. Make an a**hat corp. IE get some real life friends together and amke a corp. Get some space in 0.0 and get blue to the locals. Set up a 'too good to be true' ad in the forums making it easy for that faction CNR pilot to come to 0.0 and make mucho money from killing the abundant (?!?) officer spawns. Offer them a free Machariel for joining (never actually give it to them). Help them JF all their expensive lifetime supply out to this dead end wasteland. Once they are out there tell them that tere is an officer spawn somewhere and get them to "come with you - you will fleet warp them to the spot". Kill them and take heir faction/officer mods. Keep killing them every time they undock. If they get boring kick them out of the corp. Watch them try to get their gear back to empire. Buy all their stuff up cheap on the local market.

3. Make sure the corp never owns anything of great value. Go to 0.0 and leech off your alliance. Set corp tax rate to be only high enough to subsist.

There have got to be others. Any more ideas?