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Does anyone use sniper harpies?
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Spr09
Abyssal Echoes
Invidia Gloriae Comes
#1 - 2013-04-17 02:13:03 UTC
The Harpy assault ship gets a double optimal range bonus, and so far once I plug it into EFT it comes out to an 85km range and 110dps (using javelin ofc). So how come people don't use sniper harpies for pvp?
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#2 - 2013-04-17 02:19:56 UTC
I've seen them in FW plexes before.

-Liang

Ed: IIRC the Cormorant does it better though.

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#3 - 2013-04-17 02:30:57 UTC
They are really good against kitey ewar crap.
Matuk Grymwal
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#4 - 2013-04-17 02:39:01 UTC
I remember reading the FHC harpy thread some time ago and there was a dual web rail fit going round that was quite popular with a number of pilots. It had absolutely no tank, it used the dual webs to keep range and the great damage projection to kill stuff.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-04-17 03:17:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Tsukino Stareine
Liang Nuren wrote:
I've seen them in FW plexes before.

-Liang

Ed: IIRC the Cormorant does it better though.


indeed, corm is 123 dps to 95+9.8km and perma mwd.

Also 1/4 of the price

plus i bet the harpy fit hasn't even accounted for targeting range.

el o el i can shoot you at 9001km away "Target is 8500km away when your targeting range is 45000m"

Art of Explosions
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#6 - 2013-04-17 07:35:50 UTC
[Harpy, Sniper Harpy]
Tracking Enhancer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Script
Sensor Booster II
Sensor Booster II

150mm Railgun II, Spike S
150mm Railgun II, Spike S
150mm Railgun II, Spike S
150mm Railgun II, Spike S
[empty high slot]

Small Hybrid Locus Coordinator I
Small Hybrid Burst Aerator II

124 DPS @ 95+9.8, 150km of lock range, a damp, and more EHP than the Cormorant. I also don't see how you perma MWD on the Cormorant. What fit are you looking at?

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-04-17 07:54:23 UTC
[Cormorant, test]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II

F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Targeting Range Script
Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Targeting Range Script

150mm Railgun II, Spike S
150mm Railgun II, Spike S
150mm Railgun II, Spike S
150mm Railgun II, Spike S
150mm Railgun II, Spike S
150mm Railgun II, Spike S
150mm Railgun II, Spike S
[empty high slot]

Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I

had to tweak it a bit

84+9.8 123 dps

perma mwd

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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#8 - 2013-04-17 08:01:13 UTC
Oh, it's not like a side attribute to get the perma MWD. You actually waste rig slots on it. I must be missing something. Why?

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-04-17 08:07:53 UTC
kitey fit for experimental doctrine. Obviously if it's just meant to be a tiny naga you'd just fit tracking computer and damage rigs

[Cormorant, test]
Tracking Enhancer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Targeting Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Targeting Range Script

150mm Railgun II, Spike S
150mm Railgun II, Spike S
150mm Railgun II, Spike S
150mm Railgun II, Spike S
150mm Railgun II, Spike S
150mm Railgun II, Spike S
150mm Railgun II, Spike S
[empty high slot]

Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
[empty rig slot]

146 dps 95+12

Art of Explosions
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#10 - 2013-04-17 08:21:56 UTC
Hmmmm. Here's the trade offs:
- 25% less DPS (124 vs 146)
- 50% more EHP (5459 vs 3723)
- 66% less sig radius (130 vs 390)
- 33% more speed (2199 vs 1644)
- 280% more cost (15M vs 42M) [Corm is 1/3rd the price]
- Defensive ewar (~50-70% chance of working)

Honestly, my money is on the Harpy utterly destroying the Cormorant. But in a 30 vs 30 fight the Harpies will lose the apparently all-important ISK war (if you neglect looting the field).

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#11 - 2013-04-17 08:32:39 UTC
You fit what?!? Corm:

Genolution Set CA-1 & CA-2.
Small Hybrid 605, Motion Prediction 705, Surgical Strike 905

High:
150mm II x 7
Malkuth Standard Launcher
Mid:
Limited MWD
SB II x 2
Low:
MFS II x 2
Rigs:
ACR
Small Hybrid Burst
Small Hybrid Locus

181 DPS @ 83.8km + 7.5 with Spike (LML not included)
323 DPS @ 23.3km + 7.5 with CNAM (LML included)

Bring the rain.
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#12 - 2013-04-17 08:41:11 UTC
Same implants - FW Harpy:
High:
125mm II x 4
Malkuth Standard Launcher
Mid:
AB II
MSE II
Fleeting propulsion Inhibitor
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler
Low:
MFS II
TE II
MAPC II
Rigs:
EM Shield
Shield Extender

Scram range Kiter that is resistant to optimal range disruption. Good tank.
Angelina Joliee
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-04-17 09:20:37 UTC
Sniper-Harpies are good for cyno-ship-popping. :-)
dethleffs
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#14 - 2013-04-17 10:21:01 UTC
Angelina Joliee wrote:
Sniper-Harpies are good for cyno-ship-popping. :-)



ships with guns are good at cyno popping
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-04-17 10:43:00 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Oh, it's not like a side attribute to get the perma MWD. You actually waste rig slots on it. I must be missing something. Why?

-Liang


it is a good idea to keep your guns and speed up for a while, as small little funkers like to chase you around

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Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#16 - 2013-04-17 11:44:02 UTC
Sniper corm is excellent for RvB, I'd say Harpy is better but actually costs alot more.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#17 - 2013-04-17 12:36:27 UTC
Rail harpy is better used as a badassmobile than a sniper.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

shattered hands
ISK Training Enterprise
#18 - 2013-04-18 06:16:16 UTC
what are other good sniper ships? not caldari limited?
I'm looking for a longrange sniper/kiting ship (minmatar/gallente)
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-04-18 10:53:30 UTC
Harpies make me itchy

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Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2013-04-18 13:06:54 UTC
If you're just going to cruise around by yourself and pick off targets of opportunity that are engaged in FW, a Harpy would serve for that purpose in the sniping role. If you're going to rock a gang, I'd go with Corms, damn near identical damage projection at a fraction of the cost.

Zarnak has a pretty cute Corm fit though, might take a look-see sometime.

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