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LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#201 - 2013-04-16 19:17:46 UTC
bufnitza calatoare wrote:

then the tag market crashed and I went to null some 9 months ago.. and was making 1-4b isk on a great day normally it became 300m a day.
also did something that high sec aint done for me in years. made new friends.. friends I would give the last of my isk to and have done, people who made the game enjoyable again.

so basically.. moving to null/low sec is a life style choice.



And how much do yu make when a cloaky camper shows up?

I've moved to null a couple times. Get set up, making decent profit, one cloaky camper shows up and shuts down the system for weeks.... back to high sec for me.

I'd rather make less ISK an hour in high, then be camped in by a single cloaky.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#202 - 2013-04-16 19:20:57 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
My opinion of what needs to happen for missions HERE.


How dare you like yourself??

:D

Reading time.
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#203 - 2013-04-16 19:27:41 UTC  |  Edited by: LHA Tarawa
Marlona Sky wrote:
My opinion of what needs to happen for missions HERE.



TLDR: Anyone that doesn't play the way you want them to is playing wrong.

The arrogance of some people is beyond measure.



"We want flowers with teeth.

The reason why most players avoid and/or hate PvP is due to a lack of knowledge brought about via missioning."


Oh my gawd, you arrogant, ignorant, pompous moron!!!!!!

You have NO FREAKIN' CLUE!!!!!

"Force them to meet up with another player at the mission gate. "

As if you have the power to "force" anyone to do anything, except quit the game if they can't play the way they enjoy playing.
bufnitza calatoare
#204 - 2013-04-16 19:45:15 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
bufnitza calatoare wrote:

then the tag market crashed and I went to null some 9 months ago.. and was making 1-4b isk on a great day normally it became 300m a day.
also did something that high sec aint done for me in years. made new friends.. friends I would give the last of my isk to and have done, people who made the game enjoyable again.

so basically.. moving to null/low sec is a life style choice.



And how much do yu make when a cloaky camper shows up?

I've moved to null a couple times. Get set up, making decent profit, one cloaky camper shows up and shuts down the system for weeks.... back to high sec for me.

I'd rather make less ISK an hour in high, then be camped in by a single cloaky.



well funny you should say that...

I been in null sec for near on 9 months now.

when we was in immensea we got the odd cloaky every week nothing major.

we then moved to a -1.0 system in the drone regions pretty much on order of our ceo/director. we got camped near 90% of the time.

now we live in feythabolis. and we get even less campers than we did in immensea.

also we know how to deal with afk cloakers.. do you?? oh of course not you went back to empire.
what ya do is.. see if they hold any null sec space.. send you own afk cloaker up there.. sooner or later you get offered .. if you leave our afk cloaker leaves.

its all about meta mechanics
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#205 - 2013-04-16 20:04:06 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
My opinion of what needs to happen for missions HERE.



TLDR: Anyone that doesn't play the way you want them to is playing wrong.

The arrogance of some people is beyond measure.



"We want flowers with teeth.

The reason why most players avoid and/or hate PvP is due to a lack of knowledge brought about via missioning."


Oh my gawd, you arrogant, ignorant, pompous moron!!!!!!

You have NO FREAKIN' CLUE!!!!!

"Force them to meet up with another player at the mission gate. "

As if you have the power to "force" anyone to do anything, except quit the game if they can't play the way they enjoy playing.

You are cherry picking hard core there bro...
Princess Missie
TxivYawg
#206 - 2013-04-16 23:54:29 UTC
Tara Read wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Tara Read wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Tara Read wrote:
I never said they did. However these people ***** and moan when they are killed because they expect their precious CONCORD to protect them. It's like guards in Stormwind only in space (see how I made that easier for you to relate to?)

The point is these people have become too comfortable. And judging from the outcries in this thread any sort of risk or danger is seen as an affront to your precious afk game play. Why don't you learn the mechanics? Why don't you outsmart gankers? it's not hard to do.

All it is is laziness in my eyes.

You know what? I see more anti-carebears ***** and whine than I see carebears do it. And in case we forget, the outcry on this very thread, if you haven't noticed, is to have the game mechanics changed in favor of the ganker over the mission runner. And there are a couple of other whine threads on the very first page of GD asking for game mechanics to be changed to suit gankers over carebears.

This notion that "carebears" are whiners while deliberately ignoring the fact that gankers tend to be just as whiny (or worse) seriously needs to stop. I would suggest you follow your own advice and stop asking CCP to change the game mechanics to suit you and find ways to lure and gank your soft targets.



What are you smoking? I never suggested mechanics be changed to favor gankers so DON'T make asshat comments without first reading and digesting the information given to you. I suggested changing pve content in low sec to favor more traffic and a reason to bring people back to these regions besides pvp.


See bold above. You tell me to "go learn the game mechanics" (insinuating I don't already) and I tell you to stop bitching and whining and go play the game. Again, follow your own advice.



Follow my own advise? I don't live in high sec yet I know it's mechanics and how to exploit them. I was merely stating that HS dwellers NEED to learn very basic elementary mechanics such as:

1. watching local.

2. turning on active hardeners etc. Gankers scan ships so if they see a well defended target likely they will pass it up and go for another.

3. being pre aligned to a celestial or station.

4. use D scan.

These are very basic yet powerful tools a player can use to protect themselves. However you can't do that if you are afk.... Roll



tara read still talking **** RollRoll
Mei Sui
Hades Covenant
#207 - 2013-04-17 00:29:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Mei Sui
Marlona Sky wrote:
My opinion of what needs to happen for missions HERE.


Great article Marlona. I enjoyed reading it and I think we're on the same page even with different methods.
I think the crux of the argument is still the same, the lack of a scale in risk along with the rewards.

The moving agents idea is a good one as long as the rewards scale with them as they move out. Maybe a bit difficult to implement, but well worth it. And give real incentive in sticking with a particular agent so that they follow them, such as tying the pilots LP points to the agent rather than the corporation. If they switch to someone they don't know, they start at the bottom of the ladder again.
Drogdasan
Calvary's Cavalry
#208 - 2013-04-17 03:32:49 UTC
This carebear drinks the tears of the crying PvPers and loves it.
This carebear is getting full on your tears.
This carebear will now go and run afk missions to burn it all off.
bufnitza calatoare
#209 - 2013-04-17 04:55:30 UTC
Drogdasan wrote:
This carebear drinks the tears of the crying PvPers and loves it.
This carebear is getting full on your tears.
This carebear will now go and run afk missions to burn it all off.



how the **** do you come to that conclusion?
Chokichi Ozuwara
Perkone
Caldari State
#210 - 2013-04-17 05:08:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Chokichi Ozuwara
LHA Tarawa wrote:
TLDR: Anyone that doesn't play the way you want them to is playing wrong.

Maybe you're just playing the game badly.

bufnitza calatoare wrote:
its all about meta mechanics

99% of carebears are unaware this game has any meta mechanics.

Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round.
bufnitza calatoare
#211 - 2013-04-17 05:17:52 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
My opinion of what needs to happen for missions HERE.



TLDR: Anyone that doesn't play the way you want them to is playing wrong.

.


so by your very own statement.. anyone NOT playing the game your way is doing it wrong too...
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#212 - 2013-04-17 05:50:10 UTC
bufnitza calatoare wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
My opinion of what needs to happen for missions HERE.



TLDR: Anyone that doesn't play the way you want them to is playing wrong.

.


so by your very own statement.. anyone NOT playing the game your way is doing it wrong too...



Nothing can be further from the truth.

I don't think that those that want to trade ammo in space are playing wrong. I don't think people that manage hundreds of orders or run market manipulations are playing wrong. I don't think those that grind sov are playing wrong. I don't think those that put up gate camps in low thinking themselves great pirates, are playing wrong. I could go on..


Play how you want. Let me play how I want. And stop this arrogant, ignorant Bull Dung that I'm only a carebear because I just don't know any better.

The people that I think are wrong, are the people so arrogant, that they think they know what I would enjoy more than I know what I enjoy.
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#213 - 2013-04-17 05:51:30 UTC
Mei Sui wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
My opinion of what needs to happen for missions HERE.


Great article Marlona. I enjoyed reading it and I think we're on the same page even with different methods.
I think the crux of the argument is still the same, the lack of a scale in risk along with the rewards.



You can never balance risk with reward, because the risk creates large chunks of time that you can't be generating ISK, destroying the reward.

Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#214 - 2013-04-17 05:57:20 UTC
Well the idea I talked about in the article would royally **** up mission bots. Is that what you are worried about LHA Tarawa?
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#215 - 2013-04-17 06:05:43 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Well the idea I talked about in the article would royally **** up mission bots. Is that what you are worried about LHA Tarawa?


Not at all.

I am mostly a miner these days... and no, I don't bot that either.


What I'm worrid about is the arrogance and ignorance displayed in your article, and all over these boards, that anyone that plays differently that you is "playing wrong".

Go play how ever you want. But, QUIT telling me how I should play!

You do NOT know my subjective tastes, better than I do!

Let this sink into you tiny little brain. I actually know what I enjoy (harvesting resources, making ISK, hanging out with friends, low stress, avoiding conflict) and what I do NOT enjoy (stress, conflict, immature punks looking for easy kills worried about KB stats and epeen).

I play EVE for the cooperative elements, NOT the conflict elements. AND, not because someone "miss trained me".
bufnitza calatoare
#216 - 2013-04-17 06:12:39 UTC
speaking f bots and you are playing the game wrong..

being a 2004 player my self.

I have seen many a solo player who refuses to play the game as a mmo and as a single player game, they end up not getting anywhere in the game.. buy isk from isk sellers and items.. then they lose it to Captain CCP.

now if "those" solo mmo'ers had at least made an attempt to play the game as a MMO that is ment to be based around pvp in all its forms.. then maybe they will see the game in a new light.

I my self truly started to see the game as a mmo when I started camping 3/10s in high sec.

it was a race to the last room with around 20 players all racing to the final room.
we would fit our ships to get there ahead of everyone else.

from there I went to proper pvp .

rest is history
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#217 - 2013-04-17 06:43:17 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Let this sink into you tiny little brain. I actually know what I enjoy (harvesting resources, making ISK, hanging out with friends, low stress, avoiding conflict) and what I do NOT enjoy (stress, conflict, immature punks looking for easy kills worried about KB stats and epeen).

I play EVE for the cooperative elements, NOT the conflict elements. AND, not because someone "miss trained me".

"Easy kills" would apply far less than they do now. Why do you hate the idea of learning something new and change?
Dave Stark
#218 - 2013-04-17 06:44:38 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
I am mostly a miner these days...


actually, you're a chronic whiner.
Josef Djugashvilis
#219 - 2013-04-17 06:46:54 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Well the idea I talked about in the article would royally **** up mission bots. Is that what you are worried about LHA Tarawa?


Suspect some folk are mission botting?

Report them to CCP they will deal with it.

Mission locations are fine as they are.

This is not a signature.
Moneta Curran
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#220 - 2013-04-17 12:12:40 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
stuff


I believe you are misreading the motive here. I don't think anybody here is looking for you to change. Your attitude and personality is what makes the idea of ganking your precious ships or at least inconveniencing your play style so attractive.