Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Feedback as requested.

1. Much of Heavy sized launcher's problem is a lack of "tracking" and tracking options such as modules instead of just rigs, and target painters (also modules yes but E-war and a giant SP investment for newbs like me).

2. The missile resolution statement leaves us confused wether you mean missiles will have have a larger explosion radius (tracking nerf) or wether they'll get a buff in accuracy/tracking.
As trackung issues are THE factor that really cripple applied dps on BS size launchers (which is aleardy lower by a huge margin in base dps).

3.As many before have stated I myself also advocate to not increase launcher fire rate but to increase alpha/volley damage.
It is the only logical trade off/reward for having flight time/delayed damage and it makes intuitive and logical sense for missiles to do more volley damage then guns since they're flying bombs.
When you think of yourself flying an F-16 fighter jet and you fire missiles you think "ohh yeh going all out now" the nose cannon is more of a sustained damage story.
Yet as it stands it is the complete opposite in EvE.

4. Reiterating the previous point on the basis of uniqueness and flavor (explanation following)
A common complaint from the community is they either perceive or fear uniformity with the changes to faction weapon systems.
For example Amarr was announced to become the second drone based faction even though they armror tank like Gallente and already have a pretty solid split between missiles and lasers in sub Battleship hulls.
Leaving people with the feeling everyone becomes everyone at the moment.
I'd say seize the moment when it comes to missiles to add some uniqueness.

5. What is the math on increasing rate of fire for cruise missiles and how it influences long term dps in terms of reload times.
I am not much of the EFT warrior especially without a functioning windows computer, but cruise and torpedoes have much lower ammo counts compared to guns.
How much long term dps is lost on 5% faster missile fire rate due to reloading with small clips??

I don't see where these are the same as Railguns. Railguns behave differently.
Missiles will always be missiles, they have their own strenghts and weaknesses, thats what some call over powered, and others useless.

I now have a reason to train into cruise missiles, rather than just "skipping" them. It fits my play style, and i believe many others' too.

Suppose that Tempest is moving at a speed of 120 m / s and has a signature 360 meters. Raven shoots him with cruise missiles (fury) (velocity _ of explosion 91 m / s, the radius of of explosion 403 meters), all skills 5,, implants: +5% velocity blast, 5% explosion radius)
even at such a low speed of Tempest, damage reduction would be about 32%
correct me if I'm wrong

not sure what you mean, firewall effectively killed all missile doctrines in large scale 0.0 warfare

my first post was a little snarky and I'm all for 'personal skill' making a difference, but in its current form a few dedicated smartbombing ships can nullify an entire fleets worth of damage. even more so from ships that don't move very fast (like ravens)

Now stop using Fury and use the correct ammo. Full damage.

It's about 11% before resists.

http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=901280

Seeing CCP Rise's second message, it kinda makes sense - they wanted to increase the damage output of the cruises, but without them turning into frigate slaughtering machines with Precisions. I don't necessarily agree with this assessment, but it's logical from their point of view.

Im not sure if smartbombs will work at all due to insane missile speed (10k/s) and server ticks of 1 sec.

meaning that cruise will probably have past the SB radius before the server tics and they wont be effected at all, theoretically the smartbomb /should/ kill the cruise, but i want to test it first.

Good to know. I was under the impression that it was the HM nerf that did in missile doctrines, but since you two have way more experience for obvious reasons I defer to your judgment.

Maybe missiles should be given more HP?

ok
using faction a missile with velocity  of explosion 108.675 m / c, will decrease damage taken by 10%

Generally, the role of Fury and Rage is to hit stuff one class bigger, or stuff of the same size that's appropriately tackled. But there's such a large disparity of speeds and sigs among BS that it shouldn't be assumed that Fury cruise is able to hit all BS for full damage. The Tempest is an attack BS, it's supposed to be fast and lean and have a chance of avoiding some damage, so it's a bad example. I haven't checked the numbers yet but I suspect that Fury use will be viable against the fatter, slower combat BS.



No, you've made a mistake somewhere. Tempest 120 m/s, sig 360 m; cruise 103.5 m/s, radius 247.5 m (no implants).