Ships & Modules

I'm kinda looking at Apocalypse and Loki, but neither seem ideal for the task. I'd prefer not to use any faction ships and I'd prefer something that doesn't require a high skill cap to perform to a reasonable standard.

I've used an Oracle in the past but I had to kite from so far away, the DPS wasn't good enough. I'd like something with some tank so it can apply heavy damage up close.

Yeah, that's the problem, I don't really know how much DPS I should be looking at tanking. I guess with beams, the tank doesn't need to be as strong, but I also like something with mobility. Loki does have the resists and mobility, it can tank a lot and deal with frigs and cruisers easily enough. I don't know how it will deal with the neuts though.

Yeah, I think I'm doing the anomalies, the ones you find with your normal ship scanner. I don't think my Sacrilege would be able to tank them with all the neuts and I'm not keen to try it with a Zealot either. Ideally I want something small and fast, good DPS, good tank and can tank or kite the neuts. HAM Legion might work but the resists aren't ideal and I'm not sure how much DPS I need to be aiming for with my tank.

Thanks, I'll take a look at it.

I don't really need high mobility, I just prefer quicker ships to slow ones. I can settle for a BS if I have to, but with the upcoming changes, I'm not even sure what to plan for in that area.

I took a look at the Muninn and came up with this fit:
It has a couple of vamps and a battery which should tank the neuts quite nicely. It has 416 DPS tank, I'm not sure if that is strong enough but I can always add another hardener. The only problem is it needs Advance Weapon Upgrades 5 to fit, so I'll have to make some compromises somewhere.

[Muninn, New Setup 1]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

10MN Afterburner II
Medium Peroxide Capacitor Power Cell
Cap Recharger II

425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Medium Nosferatu II
Medium Nosferatu II

Medium Projectile Burst Aerator I
Medium Projectile Collision Accelerator I

Short-ranged Gun platforms for BRaiders is a very bad idea:

- Web Towers, webbing you from 40km.
- TDs

Unfortunately, the way PvE is designed right now, Launcher/Drone platforms are better (vs BRs, due to TDing). On the whole, for PvE you need better projection fits.

Comparing EFT DPS of above vs a HML Drake, might make you feel good, but the time you will spend getting into AC range, would be spent firing HMLs, therefore applied DPS is lower in PvE for short-ranged platforms. (even if we ignore the TD effects).

Serpentis Damps and Gurista ECMs are annoying too.

Unfortunately, the correct answer, for most PvE problems = Tengu. Especially vs Serp/Gurista due to Kinetic Dmg and good Kin/Therm resists. v/s Angels due to superb Explo resists. v/s BRaiders due to immunity vs TDs (except very specific plexes, you should be able to quickly kill the neuting source).

If you cant yet do Tengu, Arty Munnin (full rack 720s, add RLMLs or prober/salvager as the med nos is pointless), may work. Personally, havent tried - overtanked HML Drake works just fine for 4-6/10s. (yes, shooting kin)

Btw, while u train legion/Tengu, if you can fly the Munnin, you may wish to test this:

[Muninn, BRaider Arty]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Thermic Membrane II

10MN Afterburner II
Medium Capacitor Battery II
Cap Recharger II

720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Salvager II
Small Tractor Beam II

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I


Hobgoblin II x5

All5s key stats:

407 tank vs Braider Damage Profile (50 E, 48 T, 2 K)

454 Dps - 355 EMP via Arties, 99 Thermal via hobgobs, 3k Alpha means all Rat Frigs/Destros will pop in 1 shot
23km Optimal + 22km Falloff with RF EMP

Carry some RF Proton for the web or neut towers that maybe out of range (72km optimal, only 150 gun dps)

130 Sig Radius, 615ms Speed, Cap Stable

If you want more tank, just buy a Corelum C-Type MAR, costs ~50m and will take tank to 447. For even more tank, drop 1 gyro and replace with a DCU. (526 Tank, 396 Dps with C-Type MAR and DCU)

I myself will try it and post results in this thread - my gut says with the low sig and speed the 407 tank may be enough.

Ye, i dont mind, i came to the thread also looking for the same query.

This Muninn may not be an ideal solution, but should outperform a Drake, so a good go-between for people who either cant fly (or cant afford to) Tengus.

EFTing a Sac before i buy this, though HAM projection will be inferior and the native resists are low for BR.

Edit: Ya, EFTed a superior version of Sacrilege, than the above Munnin. More Tank, More Gank, same speed, cap stable - BUT - HAM projection is maxed out at ~28km with Javelins. Wont work.