EVE General Discussion

Trivial is a word I can't begin to think of using to describe 50 mil. I hope someday to think in larger terms.

The responses here have done more than just help jump-start my next try. They have changed the way I think about the people in the game.

Thanks very much.

You'd be too stupid to play EVE if you couldn't recognise these mistakes as your own. Heck, some people wouldn't even recognise them as mistakes at all, and would smother the forum with petitions to get their 400m back because the 500m order was "scamming". They're the sort of people that can't learn, and *are* stupid.

An intelligent man will question if he is intelligent.
A stupid man will never realize that he is stupid.

You need to be careful tho. Do not trust anyone in game. If you do most poeple will scam you, kill you and take everything you have. The people who decide to help new players do it knowing this. They do not expect anything in return and just do their good deed and move on.

Also, this way of making ISK, scam, lying would be pretty pointless. A person who lies on the forums to make ISK will never make enough. The most you will get is few hundred million ISK and that is not good enough income for most scammers. (the person who scammed you did more ISK with a way easier method in game anyway)

Like it was already pointed out in this thread, 50mil is not much for most of the older players. However, 99% of these players would not give out free ISK to anyone.

OOh ooh.. I am stupid too. I am stupid. Send me an Amarr/Gallente/Minmatarr ship please. I was so silly and lost all of mine, but I am still loving EVE!

Will pick up anywhere. Thanks.

You are not too stupid to play Eve.

I have been playing for about the same amount of time as you. But I've lost quite a bit more than you. In fact, I've lost count of the number of retrievers I've lost (just another one yesterday inside my bestower, along with an omen, all my fittings and modules, and a ton of other stuff). It was very annoying, because it was just another coward griefer looking to blow something up that couldn't shoot back. But I dusted myself off, wiped the blood out of my a-hole, and got right back in the saddle again.

One thing you have to understand is, if played seriously and not casually (and it seems you are serious or you wouldn't have posted), Eve must be played for the long term, not the short term. There aren't really any short term results or gains to speak of. For instance, Income potential only goes up through skilling, trying (and failing) at different ideas, and slowly building up an empire. I'm fine with that, because any other way would mean a shallow game that gets boring very quick.

Another thing to realize is this: us newbs are playing the game with guys who have literally played for years and years, with game skills and experience that far outstrip ours. So of course we're gonna get our asses handed to us when we encounter them. Just tell yourself it really wasn't a fair fight anyway (the equivalent of fighting a 5 year old), and try to shrug it off.

Not sure how you lost ships in a mission. I haven't lost any, and I finished the sisters of eve and am currently running level 2's. What I've been doing (it's worked for me, anyway) is fitting the highest ranged guns and ammo/crystals I can, and just kite everything. Try that and see how it works for you.

I do feel your pain about that trading scam you ran into. Actually, I don't consider that your fault. I consider it an exploit. Fake orders should not be in the system.

Some tips:

At your and my level, I've found that mining, while perhaps boring and a grind, produces the best income out of all the things I've tried (trading, ratting, missioning, etc). I'd recommend for you to stick with that until your skill and experience allows you to make more money doing something else (for instance, I've heard that level IV or V missions make quite a bit of cash, and trading can be quite lucrative but you have to have skills, experience, and knowledge).

Do what I just did today after losing my retriever yesterday: try a procurer. Not only are they much cheaper, but they have about the same yield believe it or not (even with 1 turret vs. 2). They only downside is an ore bay with about half the capacity of a retriever, but you get a much huger shield tank (just train the skill and throw on shield extenders), you have powergrid for a mwd, you can fit two warp core stabilizers if you want, and the best part is that after just a couple of hauls it has already paid for itself so it's really no biggie if you lose it to a griefer - just go buy another one and tell yourself it's part of the cost of doing business.

If you stick with it, you'll get some wins man. For instance, I just took my new procurer to mine. Jumped through a gate and got hit with a gate camp but miraculously managed to escape. This system had no station so I couldn't dock up. It had only 2 gates attached but I couldn't leave because they were camped by cloaked tengus, I used d-scan but couldn't see anything because it was all cloaked, and I had to run around for over an hour with cloakers chasing me. The end of the story was, one tengu left the gate and I managed to sneak through with the other one on my tail. I arrived at next system and docked up with the other tengu right behind me. I could just imagine him pounding the desk with his fist as I slipped away. He even camped the station for God knows how long but I countered that by simply logging off and writing this post. It feels good to grief a griefer.

The lesson is, just hang in there brother. You aren't too dumb for eve.

Well this was a refreshing thread to find, thanks OP.

Lots of great advice here already; only thing I'd add because I don't think I've seen it yet... don't get too wrapped up in earning isk. Remind yourself from time to time that it's an imaginary currency for buying imaginary ships for an imaginary game. You don't have to be 'space rich' to have a lot of fun here and create kickass memories.

Infact, once you stop taking EVE seriously and start going outside your comfort zone, it gets really good.

Regarding trading vs mining: Try to think of it as amount of actual time spent on the activity to make the money and I'm pretty sure trading will come off better. You were right that it grows bigger as you get more capital earned. The key at a low level IMO is to make all your money work all the time (get the skill that means you don't have to invest 100% of the trade money into buy orders) and get quick turnovers.

join a corp

To address your question as to if this is the norm or not, all I can say is that I've never personally been scammed out of anything, or lost everything I own in a fiery blast of charged particles, but I hear that happens.

If I may offer a bit of personal advice, buy a PLEX dude. I highly recommend to all new players, buy 1 PLEX instead of doing all that noob-grind bulls***.