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SMAs not dropping ships, large objects no longer dropping as loot

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Rena Senn
Halal Gunnery
Death by Degrees
#1 - 2013-04-02 08:58:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Rena Senn
Recent patch changes has made it so that any loot not inside a wreck will always be parsed into separate jetcans if their total mass exceeds a single can's 27500 m3 capacity. It seems this has led to the unfortunate consequence that any object exceeding this size, such as packaged battleships and all unpackaged ships larger than frigates, can no longer drop as loot since they will not fit inside a jetcan. If a freighter wreck is salvaged, all such large objects disappear. Worse, since Ship Maintenance Arrays do not leave a wreck and no longer eject ships into space, this means they now never drop anything larger than frigates when destroyed.

Our corp's admittedly limited testing on the test server suggests it's even worse, that SMAs are not dropping anything when destroyed. This might be due to ships no longer being ejectable from cargo or unpackaged ones not being valid objects inside cans, but whatever the case, it seems to explain the recent spat of empty wormhole SMAs and the disappearance of the famed loot pinata. I'd appreciate others to independently verify our results, and if need be, raise CCP's awareness of the issue as soon as possible.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that others have reported cans and courier packages disappearing from salvaged wrecks as well, regardless of size. This might be due to cans not being valid objects inside other cans.
Setsune Rin
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-04-02 10:30:47 UTC
i'm going to chime in that we've encountered the same issues, it renders evictions pretty unprofitable
QT McWhiskers
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#3 - 2013-04-02 11:36:45 UTC
Chiming in. We recently found offline pinata's in a c5 and when we blew up everything, the only ship we got was a packaged noctis in the CHAs. CCP going to fix this?
Istyn
Freight Club
#4 - 2013-04-02 11:42:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Istyn
I spent a while earlier this year petitioning this and had the bug confirmed by one of the GMs who responded:

Quote:
I have investigated the creation and subsequent salvage of the wreck in question and can see that the wreck still contained the plastic wrapped packages when it was destroyed after the salvage cycles were successful, due to their size relative to the container. Unfortunately this meant that the plastic wraps, and all they contained, were destroyed along with the wreck.


Should note that plastic wraps of any size are destroyed, along with any single item over 27,500m3.

Unfortunately for wormhole dwellers with SMAs and other POS modules you don't even get to loot providing someone else doesn't run along to salvage, so this problem is worse for them. Worryingly, while the GMs I spoke with confirmed it as a bug, a CSM member had it confirmed as working as intended by a dev.

If any dev wants to take a look, I submitted a bug report around the time of the petition which is currently still unfiltered, ID is '152995'.
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-04-03 00:19:32 UTC
Istyn wrote:
this is a fckin outrage
When i destroy something with extreme prejudice, i too expect the contents of the fiery explosion to remain intact

this is indeed an outrage




Istyn, i do hope this is what you meant when you asked me to intervene in the thread,

did i do good?

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION

Istyn
Freight Club
#6 - 2013-04-03 00:23:23 UTC
The important thing is that you tried.
Rena Senn
Halal Gunnery
Death by Degrees
#7 - 2013-04-03 01:58:20 UTC
Skippermonkey wrote:
When i destroy something with extreme prejudice, i too expect the contents of the fiery explosion to remain intact


110% this. Also, once CCP has this nipped they should look into adding ammo fired at pos mods as part of the drop. If the thing in my gun is called a Javelin then it damn well better be recoverable like one!
QT McWhiskers
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#8 - 2013-04-06 01:17:53 UTC
Skippermonkey wrote:
Istyn wrote:
this is a fckin outrage
When i destroy something with extreme prejudice, i too expect the contents of the fiery explosion to remain intact

this is indeed an outrage




Istyn, i do hope this is what you meant when you asked me to intervene in the thread,

did i do good?



Taking 90 percent of the fun out of shooting a pos in a WH is a very bad business model for CCP <_<
Unholey
Ashes of Selador
#9 - 2013-04-06 15:57:24 UTC
QT McWhiskers wrote:
Skippermonkey wrote:
Istyn wrote:
this is a fckin outrage
When i destroy something with extreme prejudice, i too expect the contents of the fiery explosion to remain intact

this is indeed an outrage




Istyn, i do hope this is what you meant when you asked me to intervene in the thread,

did i do good?



Taking 90 percent of the fun out of shooting a pos in a WH is a very bad business model for CCP <_<

It's nice to know some peoples jimmies are rustled. The lack of concern/noticing an issue is a little surprising. Us PoS bashers must be a small community.

You Can't Fly In Here

Ilaister
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-04-15 19:15:49 UTC
So, as a group, the WH community gives a not a toss about this?

Beyond multiple bug reports/petitions - and this thread - I see no outcry at all. Is there something I missed?

I am surprised. And peeved. And not only because my alt has spent several weeks scoping shiny things in someone else's hole.

Elroy Skimms
BRG Corp
#11 - 2013-05-04 21:55:55 UTC
I have a feeling this goes back to loot from freighters now being scoopable by any ship. Which is all well and good, except for it completely breaks WH evictions ability to earn anything except a few mill by scooping the SMA. What really pisses me off is that I've filed a petition only to have a GM tell me that nothing dropped. Leading me to think that "nothing survived the explosion". Which is odd, considering it was an online POS when we started shooting. I figured it is technically possible for the RNG to prevent anything from dropping legitimately. Having now cleared several more loot pinatas and another active eviction, and seeing this thread, it now seems clear the GM was full of ****.

What good is a petition system if the GM won't actually tell you what happened?

What good are WH evictions if we can't take the reward from the people we evicted?

-E
Sushi Nardieu
The Generic Pirate Corporation
#12 - 2013-05-17 07:43:57 UTC
We just got cockblocked by this bug.

The Guns of Knowledge 

Reppyk
The Black Shell
#13 - 2013-05-17 13:48:06 UTC
This bug is bad and CCP should feel bad.

I AM SPACE CAPTAIN REPPYK. BEWARE.

Proud co-admin of frugu.net, a French fansite about EVE !

Cybus Max
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#14 - 2013-05-17 20:32:42 UTC
This has basically killed the notion of invading someones WH.

Invasions are a massive conflict driver in w-space.

This is like saying to a small null sec group go kill that tech tower, your not going to get any tech from it but go do it anyway.

When i want to invade someone i want to kill the enemy and take his stuff. Now i'm invading someone just to watch some POS mods explode.

There is no point in us risking a large number of assets when there is guaranteed to be no loot drop what so ever.

Granted for K space this may be less of a issue but in w-space asset removal is a big conflict driver and this basically stops this dead.
Wabs
Centraal Justitieel Incasso Bureau
#15 - 2013-05-18 18:13:09 UTC
killed 4 sma's lately. I could look in the sma's (spy toon, but no roles to take them out) and there were caps in them, none of them ever dropped a ship, only a can with some modules!

NEEDS FIXING AND CONFIRMED BROKEN
Bastian Brand
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2013-05-18 18:18:40 UTC
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE
Tiger Armani
End-Game
skill urself
#17 - 2013-05-18 22:36:25 UTC

Fix this CCP. So many reports with evidence, and not even a answer from you.
Oxandrolone
Covert Appreciation Society
#18 - 2013-05-19 02:04:08 UTC
This is so stupid, imagine if NPC's stopped dropping loot the bears would cry more than us
Dunkle Lars
Worms Coalition
DARKNESS.
#19 - 2013-05-19 15:08:04 UTC
Confirming this is bad.. Happened to me yesterday.. Fix it now.. and spam petitions please
Kmelx
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-05-20 14:15:17 UTC
Fix this s**t please.
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