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OGBing Question...

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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#21 - 2013-04-12 16:05:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
OGB are fun :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQbjz622iuY

Also Cearain, tell your guys to stop tying to blob poor defenseless frigates. On that topic, why not leave your corp, that way there are more targets, right? lol

Back on topic, guess how much pvp there wouldve been in that plex if i didnt have an advantage to even the odds? Im sure you will reach the incorrect answer to that rhetorical question, such is your way.
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-04-12 17:39:12 UTC
My problem with OGB is the fact that since you cant compete directly you either bring more people and prey, or use your own.

The second the guy wiht the boosts dies or leaves system, YOU are the new F** with OGB! :P

Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.

SeaSaw
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2013-04-12 23:47:24 UTC

If you fight in the same FW contested system ( like sesiede for instance) you get to know the character names that are always there but never seen. These are the booster alts.

I am not sure, but I don't think the alt even has to be in FW to boost so you can't kill them anyway unless you go red.


your humble servent
SeaSaw
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#24 - 2013-04-13 04:49:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Bad Messenger
Seraph Castillon wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:
OGB is not game braker, it has been there several years and still people play this game.


It has gotten worse with T3's, the general proliferation of high SP characters and the simple fact that these booster alts are more and more advertised.

Call it what you want, but it's a broken mechanic that needs to be fixed in one way or another. People put up with alot of stuff in this game. It doesn't mean they're not happy when it gets improved.


So you say that game becomes more broken when people counter OGB by using OGB, it is like saying that EVE is broken because you have to use ship to counter enemy ship.


EDIT: it seems that you complain that people has learned how to play.
Seraph Castillon
Death Metal Frogs
Ribbit.
#25 - 2013-04-13 09:07:48 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
So you say that game becomes more broken when people counter OGB by using OGB, it is like saying that EVE is broken because you have to use ship to counter enemy ship.


EDIT: it seems that you complain that people has learned how to play.


No, it's a problem no matter how much it's used in the solo/small gang scene. However the problem has become more obvious, omnipresent due to the increased usage of offgrid boosts.

It's a long way from learning to play when you need a second account to be able to fight certain people in their T1 frigate in an even fight.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#26 - 2013-04-13 09:28:36 UTC
Theres a lot of stuff in eve you need a second account for.

Once the OGB go, the same people are going to come back to the forum complaining about pirate implants and how you can only counter them with you own expensive pod. Oh well.
Seraph Castillon
Death Metal Frogs
Ribbit.
#27 - 2013-04-13 10:02:32 UTC
Pirate implants are on the "field" with your pod. You have a very real chance of loosing them as we see in the daily loss mails of expensive pods.
On top of that they tend to boost one thing, not 4.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#28 - 2013-04-13 21:41:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Cearain
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
OGB are fun :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQbjz622iuY

Also Cearain, tell your guys to stop tying to blob poor defenseless frigates. On that topic, why not leave your corp, that way there are more targets, right? lol

Back on topic, guess how much pvp there wouldve been in that plex if i didnt have an advantage to even the odds? Im sure you will reach the incorrect answer to that rhetorical question, such is your way.



I think you gave the wrong link. Your link did not show a blob fighting a defensless frigate. It showed a T3 + frigate versus 3 frigates.

Just because the killmail is misleading and says you fought them alone doesn't mean you took them on solo. Roll

edit: And joing the corp and alliance I am in does not make me blue to 35% of the people inside plexes, like joining faction war will do.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#29 - 2013-04-14 01:31:02 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
OGB are fun :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQbjz622iuY

Also Cearain, tell your guys to stop tying to blob poor defenseless frigates. On that topic, why not leave your corp, that way there are more targets, right? lol

Back on topic, guess how much pvp there wouldve been in that plex if i didnt have an advantage to even the odds? Im sure you will reach the incorrect answer to that rhetorical question, such is your way.



I think you gave the wrong link. Your link did not show a blob fighting a defensless frigate. It showed a T3 + frigate versus 3 frigates.

Just because the killmail is misleading and says you fought them alone doesn't mean you took them on solo. Roll

edit: And joing the corp and alliance I am in does not make me blue to 35% of the people inside plexes, like joining faction war will do.


The 'defenceless' was sarcastic. Also, there was 5 of your guys, one that kept warping in and out for some reason, and a hawk that was sat on gate wondering why he couldnt enter a novice lol.

On top of that, im pretty sure they didnt know i was boosted going into that fight, well, im pretty sure they had no idea what was happening at any point during the fight either.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#30 - 2013-04-14 02:25:01 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
OGB are fun :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQbjz622iuY

Also Cearain, tell your guys to stop tying to blob poor defenseless frigates. On that topic, why not leave your corp, that way there are more targets, right? lol

Back on topic, guess how much pvp there wouldve been in that plex if i didnt have an advantage to even the odds? Im sure you will reach the incorrect answer to that rhetorical question, such is your way.



I think you gave the wrong link. Your link did not show a blob fighting a defensless frigate. It showed a T3 + frigate versus 3 frigates.

Just because the killmail is misleading and says you fought them alone doesn't mean you took them on solo. Roll

edit: And joing the corp and alliance I am in does not make me blue to 35% of the people inside plexes, like joining faction war will do.


The 'defenceless' was sarcastic. Also, there was 5 of your guys, one that kept warping in and out for some reason, and a hawk that was sat on gate wondering why he couldnt enter a novice lol.

On top of that, im pretty sure they didnt know i was boosted going into that fight, well, im pretty sure they had no idea what was happening at any point during the fight either.



So you consider a hawk that was never even on grid, and couldn't be, part of the fight? Interesting view there. In that case I won a fights in a t1 frigate versus a Dominix, cynabal, hurricane, and a another t1 frigate.

If anything your video shows why boosters are ridiculous. Going 6000k pointing past 36k when people cant even target you. And yes the killmail is a total lie because it doesn't show your loki. Its all a crock of ****.

The problem is there are so many people with confidence problems who feed off those misleading killmails that ccp is selling this game too.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Vizvig
Savage Blizzard
#31 - 2013-04-14 07:04:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Vizvig
Ovv Topik wrote:
"There is no solo pvp in FW, just solo +ogb alt,"

There's no OGB baby, this all natural, web range, EHP, speed.Pirate


In fact, I wonder why it has not yet been fixed. But see to all game design - pve system shows you can farm and get superiority and you can get superiority via another effort, this is bad, this make many ppl gone. A 0.001% elite pvp can effort time again to search victims, just do itLol

There is 2 way to further development
1st way make something funny and dyfficult (and also physical engine, collisions, ets. So i think phys engine make lesser CPU-load than calculations of magic buffs ).
2nd way is make t4 OGB to make suffer t3 OGB users.Lol

BTW i also use OGB periodically.
Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-04-15 00:53:45 UTC
Face it, Eve is a space MMO where the middle M stands for "Multiplayer". So the assumption that you can pick your 1 on 1 fights is wrong.

Though having offgrid boosts and logistics show up on killmails would be good.
Khalid DeCroix
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#33 - 2013-04-15 05:44:53 UTC
My own personal solution for this is just to drag an ECM alt everywhere I go. The only real purpose he serves is to heroically save my more expensive ships from certain death to kiters, OGB tards, and anyone bringing more than one pilot to the fray vs my neighborhood friendly yarr boats.

Optionally, I could just get an OGB alt as well, but then I'd have to learn how to actually pvp, sorta. And falcons inspire a certain kind of rage(which is its own reward,) especially against the mighty fleet tackle and leet pvp'ers with boosts. "We'd totally have screwed you over if you hadn't screwed us over first you cheating bastard with ECM. This 10v1 was totally fair."

Local awareness, as previously mentioned, is also very very useful. Realistically, solo pvp will always be an uphill battle. Duo is much more realistic, and most people have an alt anyway.
Seraph Castillon
Death Metal Frogs
Ribbit.
#34 - 2013-04-15 08:12:14 UTC
Sjugar wrote:
Face it, Eve is a space MMO where the middle M stands for "Multiplayer". So the assumption that you can pick your 1 on 1 fights is wrong.


This is possibly the worst argument against nerving them and yet it keeps coming up. Clueless people ... OGB are just as bad when the engagement is a small gang one.
Also notice that you said multiplayer, not multi-possed-up-account.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#35 - 2013-04-15 08:32:01 UTC
Seraph Castillon wrote:
Sjugar wrote:
Face it, Eve is a space MMO where the middle M stands for "Multiplayer". So the assumption that you can pick your 1 on 1 fights is wrong.


This is possibly the worst argument against nerving them and yet it keeps coming up. Clueless people ... OGB are just as bad when the engagement is a small gang one.
Also notice that you said multiplayer, not multi-possed-up-account.


i do not know why you cry so much about ogb, but if you think that those people who now use OGB will give you fair fight and you could win them after nerf you are at wrong. Nerfing OGB does not really change anything, same people will just use other tricks to kill you.
Vizvig
Savage Blizzard
#36 - 2013-04-15 10:40:11 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
Seraph Castillon wrote:
Sjugar wrote:
Face it, Eve is a space MMO where the middle M stands for "Multiplayer". So the assumption that you can pick your 1 on 1 fights is wrong.


This is possibly the worst argument against nerving them and yet it keeps coming up. Clueless people ... OGB are just as bad when the engagement is a small gang one.
Also notice that you said multiplayer, not multi-possed-up-account.


i do not know why you cry so much about ogb, but if you think that those people who now use OGB will give you fair fight and you could win them after nerf you are at wrong. Nerfing OGB does not really change anything, same people will just use other tricks to kill you.

You right, they all become blob after OGB nerf Lol
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#37 - 2013-04-15 14:40:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Princess Nexxala
The fact that you think the two are related is very telling in just how dense you are, well done. In regards to your actual query, no I say nothing of any substance on here and you are much better off ignoring me.

Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Princess Nexxala wrote:
Off grid boosts are off grid; at a safe, at a gate, at a station undock, etc
"Solo" pilots roam with them so they just safe it up, turn on boosts and **** on your plex


So, someone not on grid ****'s with your plex, but neutrals dropping in (to FW plexes) is "good stuff"? Do you EVER post anything that matters?



To everyone that says "its multiplayer", "bring your own", "alt with ecm","ogb rules" etc....

I'm sure people will stop complaining if you stop calling it solo :)

nom nom

Seraph Castillon
Death Metal Frogs
Ribbit.
#38 - 2013-04-15 15:22:25 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
i do not know why you cry so much about ogb, but if you think that those people who now use OGB will give you fair fight and you could win them after nerf you are at wrong. Nerfing OGB does not really change anything, same people will just use other tricks to kill you.


Name one trick that is as risk free and hidden as OGB.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#39 - 2013-04-15 15:29:44 UTC
The only issue I have with OGB is that they don't follow the concept of "diminishing returns" that seems to be part of everything else in Eve.

Edit: OK, and the fact that they don't show up on killmails. Big smile
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#40 - 2013-04-15 15:54:49 UTC
It would be great if the ogbs showed up on past as well as future killmails.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

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