Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I think its an interesting attempt to solve the miner's dilemma. I especially like its potential for low sec use.

Unfortunately, I don't think it has enough of a drawback.

What happens if you anchor this in the middle of space, light a cyno, and bring in your caps safely? This needs a balance, so I highly suggest that no ships can warp into or out of the "safety bubble" (except maybe interdiction nullified t3's). This will discourage its use in null, as the ships inside can be **** caged until the fuel runs out or its destroyed.

This should ONLY be anchorable in grav sites or asteroid belts... I have no idea how you can limit that though.

Second, I would make it just like a POS shield, in that only alliance members or people with the password can enter it. I'm actually very sketchy on allowing password entry, but I think its probably better if you do allow it. To allow anchoring in High sec, it should require high standings with the local faction, and its fuel should also consume starbase charters.

NPC's can be a moderate threat to a miner in null... how are NPC's affected by this?
You mentioned AOE effects being able to hit targets in the field. While you were refering to smarbombs, you also have to worry about ECM Bursts (up to 20 km) and Stealth Bomber Bombs (15 km explosion radius).

I will have to think this through, and really decide if its something that helps out the game or not.... I'm more leaning against it... but I'm still gonna sleep on it before I give my verdict..

Finally good feedback. I thought of this yesterday when dealing with the troll but I am not sure of a solution to it. It does raise a problem. However with 7 to a poss how long could one justify doing that jut to grief? What if the number was lowered? One per pos, or even two per pos? The cost of fuel would get pretty ugly since you have to fuel the pos, plus the control unit don't you think?

I'm not saying someone stuborn wouldn't do it, but how long would it last? Also, whats a work around to that? Wardec's obviously could be used, but as in your example with goons, that would be a pretty rough war to fight, so what could you implement into the idea to avoid the problem to begin with?

Should be easy enough code wise to keep cynos out of it just like they do with pos's.

Anchoring in grav site only was discussed in another post but I think got burried in the trolling. You're right. The grav site requirement is a must. The poster suggested having to have a rock in the bubble to anchor, but I think 100k from the warp in point of a grav site is a better coding restriction. Would that work?

Also remember in null sec it already has a huge draw back since you can bomb the hell out of it with stealth bombers. It would be almost pointless to use their even without the no warp issue. If you do a no warp inside the bubble issue you'd have to figure out a way to allow industrials to move out to haul I think. Unless you are thinking using a rorqual and jumping out but you can't cyno in the same system. Keeping hauling from happening would once again deter use in low sec and the whole idea might as well be scrapped. Need another solution here.




Agreed. ALl good ideas. I was not liking the password either because of fending off bots from using it. but I think just no access by players in NPC corps would help with that issues. Botters in Player corps can be wardeced. Also I really liked the counter intel part of it. If your password was to get compromised a few pilots could get inside the bubble and wipe out the whole mining op anyways.



Yep, I expect this unit to not be nearly as useful in null sec or wh space. I am ok with them putting them up but I really like the idea of being able to launch bombs and all that crap inside of it. This is why I don't agree this is a COMPLETE imbalance because there are still several ways to kill whats inside of it.

NPC's is a problem I didn't fully develop. In high sec, and even low sec they really aren't a threat anyways you'd just tank them with the miners so I figured heck with it, they can be unbothered by rats. But in Null sec they could pose a problem to a miner normally I guess so that might be considered an imbalance if we just say that NPC's can't shoot whats inside it. Though since you can stealth bomb the hell out of the bubble in null sec, maybe the protection from NPC rats would be the benefit to this unit in null sec?



Let me know if you come up with anymore issues. I posted it to talk it out, not to get it put into the game tomorrow. I stated in my original post it need a lot more tweaking, balancing, and more people bouncing ideas off it.

Having been a miner before I came out to nullsec, I'm curious to know...which delimma are you talking about? The plummeting price of minerals, the skyrocketing cost of T2 mining ships, or the mind-numbingly boring game play it involves?

Nice idea, but I would only vote for it if it was limited to low sec (0.4 - 0.1) use only, and required deactivation in order to get a ship in or out. For something like this to exist, there needs to be a way to get around it with some strategy.
Warp in to gank them and simply prowl at the edge. The risk to the ganker is whether or not the miners are waiting for reinforcements to arrive.

This also creates an issue in regards to how the mechanics of belt rats work. Will miners be safe from them as well?

Heck, make it password accessible, but limit the password to one digit, 0 through 9 with a half second delay between attempts.
Gives the miners a few seconds to start warping, but nothing more.

Even so, in the end I don't think this would work. It does encourage people to venture into low-sec, but it would need to be nerfed down a lot before it would work.

I think this is a terrible idea. I agree with others on here - there is no "safe" space in EVE.

A mining group should have protection, be ready to warp, and be tanked to avoid griefing. Mining in low/null? HAVE SUPPORT.

I'm sorry, but this would give way too much power/control to one group in a belt. All the good belts would be perma-bubbled and reserved. Ice mining and goons on a much larger scale.

1 Thought and maybe u will kill it if this is a mod made by ore why not make it an Orca high slot module and make that u need to store fuel on the orca also it only protects ships made by ore (only ships made by ore i think are exhumers mining barges and the 2 capitals orca and rorqual) also this could scramble the first shot making it useless and calling concord so they take care of the enemies u ussually get 1 shot max 2 on high sec if u are going to gank, but in low sec after the first shot or 2 of every ship gets scrambled they can fight u normally and kill u yes its going to give u a couple of seconds of extra live in low sec but it wont save u. In a History mode i see it like after 1 or 2 shots the ships sensor adapted to the distortion of the Ore field projector, this would mean ganks come and try to kill u in high sec and u have an orca with this module the first shot or the first 2 shots will go astray and then concord will answer to the alert of unwarranted attack and that way no problem with mining in high sec in low sec and null sec ull have a couple of seconds to do something but thats all. of course if it only last 1 or 2 shots u could make it for every type of ship and not exclusive for ore construction, depends on how u try to resolve the issue, but i say miners are too exposed even on high sec and the insurance dont pay platinum insurance is 53 million and the ship cost 180 so really miners are exposed.

I was specifically imagining any ships that wants to come and go from the bubble have to FLY their ship in and out of the bubble before warping off. They can warp to/from the outside (1-3 km) edge, just like you land on the edge of a POS Shields when you warp to a tower you don't have permission to enter. A prop mod would probably be beneficial, but the idea is that mining barges don't get to fly off to freedom when hostiles are on grid. Instead, they can be aggressed by AOE weapons, and are in serious danger of getting ganked unless they can find some defense force to drive off the hostiles.

Truthfully, this wont fly unless it causes as much difficulties to the miners as it does to the gankers. Meaning that the only way I see you getting your "safe" space, is by postponing your risk, not negating it. In hisec, when gankers land on field, it allows you to bring in some friends in an Orca to tank up your ship, and some logies to provide reps while you attempt to escape. In lowsec, it allows your mining corp to bring in their military wing to fend off the pirates. I.E. Your barges wont be instantly ganked, and miners get a little time to react to an incoming force.

Yes actually in this area I did. I also expected the education level of Eve players to be high enough to be able to find, read, and comprehend the rules of an area on a message board.

Here, let me help you with that part:



I also thought we had a brighter crowd in so far as they had some sort of concept of what a think tank might be like.

My bad on both counts.

Add the following feature(s):

The module(s) can only be placed on t2 industrial command ships or something similar. Airgo, add an Orca variant designed specifically for this role. This is going to make this capability a very expensive luxury to have.

Ships can target and attack this bubble, but it will be equivilent to attacking a POS. So you'l need a very big blob to take it down. Pirate corps will have to use the wardecing feature in hisec to enable them to gank miners using this bubble, or risk agressing a POS shield with no wardec while getting mowed down by Concord.

As long as these bubbles are only placeable in hisec and low, with a sufficient onlining/offlining time to allow for ganking inbetween, then I will gladly support it.

0.0 doesn't need safe mining. Goonswarm can go interdict their own ice fields


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