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Why don't gankers and war deccers just go to low/null/wh space????
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culo duro
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#221 - 2013-04-15 11:41:41 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
LittleTerror wrote:
culo duro wrote:
LittleTerror wrote:
In some way I actually agree with the OP but only the part were it is too easy for people to suicide gank using small fast ships when they are already -10 sec status and they can do this without any sort of repercussions. There are people who's whole game play consists of boarding a new destroyer, and then flying to a gate and randomly ganking people in shuttles or other soft targets, or flying to a belt and ganking mining ships.

I think that is unbalanced, unfair and very lame, there should be a limit to how much you can get away with within a set amount of time because in reality no law abiding NPC corp is going to let a known terrorist repeatedly use its stations as a base for their activities.

TL;DR

Commit acts of terrorism in highsec, then the criminal flag should also prevent these people from redocking, obviously only temporarily but long enough that it creates a logistics problem for the gankers.


Thoes people that gank use Orcas to get into new ships.


then those orcas are aiding them and should be flagged.


where's the crime in ejecting a ship from the smb?


Rather how would you work that out? It would be impossible.

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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#222 - 2013-04-15 12:00:43 UTC
Why do you rob banks?
Because that is where the money is.

Why do you gank in highsec?
Because that is where the money is.
LittleTerror
Stygian Systems
#223 - 2013-04-15 12:08:14 UTC  |  Edited by: LittleTerror
Dave Stark wrote:
LittleTerror wrote:
culo duro wrote:
LittleTerror wrote:
In some way I actually agree with the OP but only the part were it is too easy for people to suicide gank using small fast ships when they are already -10 sec status and they can do this without any sort of repercussions. There are people who's whole game play consists of boarding a new destroyer, and then flying to a gate and randomly ganking people in shuttles or other soft targets, or flying to a belt and ganking mining ships.

I think that is unbalanced, unfair and very lame, there should be a limit to how much you can get away with within a set amount of time because in reality no law abiding NPC corp is going to let a known terrorist repeatedly use its stations as a base for their activities.

TL;DR

Commit acts of terrorism in highsec, then the criminal flag should also prevent these people from redocking, obviously only temporarily but long enough that it creates a logistics problem for the gankers.


Thoes people that gank use Orcas to get into new ships.


then those orcas are aiding them and should be flagged.


where's the crime in ejecting a ship from the smb?


aiding a criminal, like providing a bank robber with a get away car...Question

and the point is if that was done in nullsec chances are that orca would be probed down and destroyed but since nullsec is lawless unless players make their own laws, so the crime watch system is obviously not working in highsec like it should do
LittleTerror
Stygian Systems
#224 - 2013-04-15 12:09:37 UTC
Miilla wrote:
Why do you rob banks?
Because that is where the money is.

Why do you gank in highsec?
Because that is where the money is.


Yeah but it should not be so ridiculously easy.
culo duro
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#225 - 2013-04-15 12:11:39 UTC
LittleTerror wrote:
Miilla wrote:
Why do you rob banks?
Because that is where the money is.

Why do you gank in highsec?
Because that is where the money is.


Yeah but it should not be so ridiculously easy.


Tank your ship, it's not 'That easy' if you'd tank your ship.

I've starting blogging http://www.epvpc.blogspot.com 
LittleTerror
Stygian Systems
#226 - 2013-04-15 12:13:29 UTC
culo duro wrote:
LittleTerror wrote:
Miilla wrote:
Why do you rob banks?
Because that is where the money is.

Why do you gank in highsec?
Because that is where the money is.


Yeah but it should not be so ridiculously easy.


Tank your ship, it's not 'That easy' if you'd tank your ship.


Yeah but it would be better if I could gank the ganker before they commit more crimes, you can argue for your cushy play style till you're blue in the face, its still broken imo.
culo duro
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#227 - 2013-04-15 12:15:46 UTC
LittleTerror wrote:
culo duro wrote:
LittleTerror wrote:
Miilla wrote:
Why do you rob banks?
Because that is where the money is.

Why do you gank in highsec?
Because that is where the money is.


Yeah but it should not be so ridiculously easy.


Tank your ship, it's not 'That easy' if you'd tank your ship.


Yeah but it would be better if I could gank the ganker before they commit more crimes, you can argue for your cushy play style till you're blue in the face, its still broken imo.


It's very possible to do so, it's commonly refeered to as drones.
Some Warrior IIs will crush that poor little gank ship.

I've starting blogging http://www.epvpc.blogspot.com 
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#228 - 2013-04-15 12:16:37 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:


Well done. Your constant whining (along with other pixel hard-men) about the cost of ganking seems to have paid off.


Yes, our valid complaints have resulted in the skiff possibly getting the role it was ment to have and the mack given some drawbacks. We will have to test it to be sure.
Prince Kobol
#229 - 2013-04-15 12:18:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
LittleTerror wrote:
Miilla wrote:
Why do you rob banks?
Because that is where the money is.

Why do you gank in highsec?
Because that is where the money is.


Yeah but it should not be so ridiculously easy.


Yes it is easy but then again you would be amazed how many people fail.

As easy it is to gank somebody, it is also as easy not to make yourself a easy target.

A few quick examples...

Actually fit a tank your mining ships, I can happily say I have never been successfully ganked, had quite a few people try and fail.

When ever I am scouting a target there is always somebody mining afk with no tank on their mining ship so its a bit of no brainer to gank that person as oppose to the guy next to him sporting a pretty decent tank.

Also being afk does not help :)

When choosing a hauler to gank, those who are AP, using cargo expanders in there lows and cargo extender rigs are always my primary choice.

If you choose to use AP, have zero tank, use mods which will lower your overall EHP and have items worth 100's millions of isk in your cargo hold then I am really sorry but you deserved to be ganked (hopefully the person doing the ganking will be me Twisted

If you have that much stuff to move then spend that little bit extra and hire Reg Frog.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#230 - 2013-04-15 12:18:47 UTC
LittleTerror wrote:
Miilla wrote:
Why do you rob banks?
Because that is where the money is.

Why do you gank in highsec?
Because that is where the money is.


Yeah but it should not be so ridiculously easy.


So stop making it easy for us to do.
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#231 - 2013-04-15 12:21:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Miilla
LittleTerror wrote:
culo duro wrote:
LittleTerror wrote:
Miilla wrote:
Why do you rob banks?
Because that is where the money is.

Why do you gank in highsec?
Because that is where the money is.


Yeah but it should not be so ridiculously easy.


Tank your ship, it's not 'That easy' if you'd tank your ship.


Yeah but it would be better if I could gank the ganker before they commit more crimes, you can argue for your cushy play style till you're blue in the face, its still broken imo.



You can, It's called CRIMEWATCH 2.0.

You can, it's called PRE-EMPTIVE GANK, made popular by the Israeli/Bush administration.


You can't, because you have no guts.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#232 - 2013-04-15 12:21:30 UTC
LittleTerror wrote:
Miilla wrote:
Why do you rob banks?
Because that is where the money is.

Why do you gank in highsec?
Because that is where the money is.


Yeah but it should not be so ridiculously easy.


You determine how easy or how difficult it is to gank your ship. You chose to make it easy while carrying billions in loot, so deal with the consequences of that mistake.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Prince Kobol
#233 - 2013-04-15 12:22:23 UTC
oh, also before somebody says its my right to fly any ship I like, fitted how I like, you are totally correct, I completely agree with you.

You pay your subs and you can do whatever you please, however the flip side to that coin is that the person who just blew up your ship also has a right to play the game any way they see fit as well.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#234 - 2013-04-15 12:22:39 UTC
just gonna quote this again because well i'm right

Andski wrote:
the whole "lowsec/null are for PvP, hisec isn't" mentality is driven by CCP's coddling of the worst players in the game

until that coddling ends and they are less sheltered from the realities of eve that mentality will continue to be prevalent

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Velicitia
XS Tech
#235 - 2013-04-15 12:23:40 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:


Pretty much a non-pvp character would have to not have any means of observing, being observed by or interacting with any other character (or any information resulting by actions by characters) in the game.


Oh, so they're logged out? Cool

Guess we all PVE 16-22h a day then (assuming more or less "standard" sleep/work/RL schedules).

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#236 - 2013-04-15 12:24:43 UTC
Welcome to the Sandbox, online, pubbie, player experience.

Until CCP changes the rules/mechanics (again), depending on how loud and long you whine nowadays, live with it or adapt.
Dave Stark
#237 - 2013-04-15 12:25:00 UTC
LittleTerror wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
LittleTerror wrote:
culo duro wrote:
LittleTerror wrote:
In some way I actually agree with the OP but only the part were it is too easy for people to suicide gank using small fast ships when they are already -10 sec status and they can do this without any sort of repercussions. There are people who's whole game play consists of boarding a new destroyer, and then flying to a gate and randomly ganking people in shuttles or other soft targets, or flying to a belt and ganking mining ships.

I think that is unbalanced, unfair and very lame, there should be a limit to how much you can get away with within a set amount of time because in reality no law abiding NPC corp is going to let a known terrorist repeatedly use its stations as a base for their activities.

TL;DR

Commit acts of terrorism in highsec, then the criminal flag should also prevent these people from redocking, obviously only temporarily but long enough that it creates a logistics problem for the gankers.


Thoes people that gank use Orcas to get into new ships.


then those orcas are aiding them and should be flagged.


where's the crime in ejecting a ship from the smb?


aiding a criminal, like providing a bank robber with a get away car...Question

and the point is if that was done in nullsec chances are that orca would be probed down and destroyed but since nullsec is lawless unless players make their own laws, so the crime watch system is obviously not working in highsec like it should do


more like, the orca pilot left a car on the road side unlocked and the ganker just took it.
again, the orca pilot did nothing and has committed no crime.

stop whining, it's pathetic.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#238 - 2013-04-15 12:29:07 UTC
LittleTerror wrote:
Miilla wrote:
Why do you rob banks?
Because that is where the money is.

Why do you gank in highsec?
Because that is where the money is.


Yeah but it should not be so ridiculously easy.


Agreed. Stop making it so easy, is my advice.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
LittleTerror
Stygian Systems
#239 - 2013-04-15 12:33:57 UTC
I'm perfectly capable of avoiding ganks, however if I was a noob in my first mining ship, and barely able to fit a tank and someone came along and destroyed my ship in a highsec system for no gain other than to **** me off, i'd feel it was a bit unfair. Particularly if that ganker is virtually immune using their low skill point alt over and over and over again, so all i'm suggesting is a more balanced set of game mechanics because if these gankers are so ******* hardcore, then they won't mind having to fly their gank ships in from a lowsec system right?
StoneCold
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
#240 - 2013-04-15 12:38:21 UTC
Afaik as soon as you finished the tutorials you got all skills that are needed to (t1/meta) tank your ships good enough so the standard-ganker isn´t to keen to pick you as a target.

The 'problem' is that some people fit for 100% more income instead of tanking.

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