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Arguing with a Truther

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Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-04-15 07:20:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Ivy Romanova
I guess I'll show you a little conversation between me and a truther on YouTube.


Talking about transhumanism

Me:
Or a more effective way of population control is what Japan is doing.
Educate the citizens , as people becomes more educated , they realize there are more things in life than simply animistic proliferation . They start having less babies. A quarter of their population will be 60+ by 2050.
Transhumanism enables humans to live a healthy , active life style far longer than previously possible. Giving the public a chance to live a life to the fullest , while still contributing to society.
Win win
In the end , its not about not "dying" , its about delaying the inevitable.
Transhumanism is about eliminating the mortal weakness that compels man to sin . We hope to create an equal world where no man will have to walk a road of crime because of his childhood .
No woman will have to lay down their bodies for a meal.
Where all men are rewarded as according to their contribution.
A decent world , a world where we are not just mere animals.
A world where we are truly human.

The Truther:
I have some moon property for sale since you lapped up the Kurzweil lies pretty good.
You comments read like one who has been totally deceived by the globalist plan to turn the the population into ultra controllable robots.
Man is imperfect, and to attempt perfection w/o the God who makes all things possible is about as wise as picking a fight with a lion.
To all those who foolishly believe that by becoming POST-MAN (irony there) things will improve, well.. go ahead, welcome your own death.

There are too many posts.
Go read it yourself , getting pretty fed up of him atm , you are welcome to join in on the fray .




PS: On a funny note.
He quoted Genetic Entrophy Lol

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#2 - 2013-04-15 07:31:00 UTC
Dare I peer into the abyss and click on that link?

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Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-04-15 07:40:01 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Dare I peer into the abyss and click on that link?


Please do , the amount of suedo science he has accumulated is insurmountable .
He claims he used to be a satanist too , so thats a plus if its a freak show you are after

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Concurssi Mellenar
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-04-15 08:18:20 UTC
No, sorry, but I'm allergic to Youtube comments.

He who controls the veld, controls the universe.

Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-04-15 08:30:09 UTC
Concurssi Mellenar wrote:
No, sorry, but I'm allergic to Youtube comments.


HE IS STILL GOING!!!Where is he getting all this time??


I am at school!
Someone entertain him !!

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Graygor
1kB Realty
#6 - 2013-04-15 08:38:46 UTC
Some people dont have jobs... or lives and need stuff like this to while away their time. Its rather sad.

A couple years ago someone linked a comment section from a website, cant remember if it was youtube or something else. Anyway, one of the people arguing was saying that gravity was still only a theory and there was no way it could be proven that it was not God making it happen... then it got drawn into a flat Earth argument and that Galileo was wrong because some christian TV pastor said otherwise...

Oh the internet.

Still not reading that comment section though. Sorry Ivy. Here has enough madness for me.

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Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-04-15 08:46:44 UTC
Graygor wrote:
Some people dont have jobs... or lives and need stuff like this to while away their time. Its rather sad.

A couple years ago someone linked a comment section from a website, cant remember if it was youtube or something else. Anyway, one of the people arguing was saying that gravity was still only a theory and there was no way it could be proven that it was not God making it happen... then it got drawn into a flat Earth argument and that Galileo was wrong because some christian TV pastor said otherwise...

Oh the internet.

Still not reading that comment section though. Sorry Ivy. Here has enough madness for me.


Lecture break .

Aww come on ... reply to him. I don't want to start diving into Horizontal gene transfer .

PLlllllease

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Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-04-15 10:10:17 UTC
OH GAWD!
He's now accusing me of being a... satanist???
Wut? Straight

This is the first time I've ... talked with a truther ....

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Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-04-15 10:13:41 UTC
Ok .. to clear things up , firstly . He forgot about lateral genes transfer and how undesirable genes are not passed on (of course he ignored my counter argument )
And then he called me a racist because I am against the Israeli government ? (I thought antisemitic means illogical hated and prejudice against jews , but doh well)
And now he's hanging onto the fact that I play video games as a decreditor towards what i say ? Ugh
And he believes afterlife is real ...

Truthers are weird .

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#10 - 2013-04-15 10:13:46 UTC
This is why I dont look at youtube comments. When I watch ponies I dont want to get dragged into an argument over how evolution is wrong and how everyone should be burned because freindship is magic which means twilight sparkle is a witch and needs to be burned.
Concurssi Mellenar
Doomheim
#11 - 2013-04-15 10:15:41 UTC
Yeah. I like arguing on the internet, but Youtube comments are just _so_ bad that it's not even funny. I seriously get a headache sometimes from reading them.

He who controls the veld, controls the universe.

Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-04-15 10:30:02 UTC
I don't agree 100% with your definition of transhumanism, but arguing with fundies is a futile endeavor. If you really want to try and get a point across to them, logic and reason will only seek to further consolidate their own view, so you need to take another approach; question them, subtly make them ask questions and think for themselves. They will never be convinced right out however elegant your post might be. You need time, and you need to plant a seed of doubt in them.

Personally I think it strange how so many people view transhumanism is such a bad light, when its the single most positive force out there for the betterment of humanity, but than again, people fear change and what is new, more so since the concepts of transhumanism goes against the current culture in such a big way.

I mean, I did not read about transhumanism and decide in one day that is was awesome, it took time, research and reflection. Having rejected religion many years past (and actually thought hard about the concept), critical thinking comes easier now, but it is an acquired skill that many people never really get. After all, our culture does not really promote it, it promotes dumb conformity from an early age.

So while it is easy to dismiss fundies and other nutjobs, most of them are actually victimes of culture and circumstance.
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-04-15 10:39:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Ivy Romanova
Sidus Isaacs wrote:
I don't agree 100% with your definition of transhumanism, but arguing with fundies is a futile endeavor. If you really want to try and get a point across to them, logic and reason will only seek to further consolidate their own view, so you need to take another approach; question them, subtly make them ask questions and think for themselves. They will never be convinced right out however elegant your post might be. You need time, and you need to plant a seed of doubt in them.

Personally I think it strange how so many people view transhumanism is such a bad light, when its the single most positive force out there for the betterment of humanity, but than again, people fear change and what is new, more so since the concepts of transhumanism goes against the current culture in such a big way.

I mean, I did not read about transhumanism and decide in one day that is was awesome, it took time, research and reflection. Having rejected religion many years past (and actually thought hard about the concept), critical thinking comes easier now, but it is an acquired skill that many people never really get. After all, our culture does not really promote it, it promotes dumb conformity from an early age.

So while it is easy to dismiss fundies and other nutjobs, most of them are actually victimes of culture and circumstance.


Well in the end it depends on which stream of transhumanism do you agree with .
Singularitarianism ,Postgenderism and Extropianism intrigues me the most .

I've argued with many on YouTube (kinda ashamed about squander my neurons like that if I'm honest)
From Nationalists supporting the Tiananmen massacre , White Phosphorus usage on civilians in Gaza .
Evangelist saying I'm going to hell .
Holocaust denialists to global warming will be solved by Jesus sorts .
ZERO of them amounted to anything useful.

Try stating how Zero Point Energy will never work , they say you are a Oil Tycoon puppet.
Try stating how vaccines don't necessary will always cause autism , they start sprouting seudo science.
Try counter arguing the Islamic and Christian propaganda of how women are seen as equal . They start interpretting the holy texts as if they are the holy entity they believe in.

People are weird.

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Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-04-15 10:41:05 UTC
I very much doubt he has the slightest clue what 'truth' actually is ....

just forget about the guy as the misguided, insignificant ****** that he is.

life is far to short to start taking opinions like his seriously.
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-04-15 10:42:18 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:
I very much doubt he has the slightest clue what 'truth' actually is ....

just forget about the guy as the misguided, insignificant ****** that he is.

life is far to short to start taking opinions like his seriously.


Kinda disturbed about how he is calling me things I am not tho while acting all self-righteous .

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Alara IonStorm
#16 - 2013-04-15 11:02:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Notice how every single time something happens in the world there is what happens and there is the "truth". Everything, everything has a cause that is "not the official story" everything. That cause is always the same.

* The government or secret one world government.
* Rich people plotting genocide and dictatorship.
* Evil special interests.
* Aliens.

By the way it is never one of those per event, there is a version of each for every one. If you don't believe it you are sheep or sheeple or in their evil pocket or just don't "get it".

I get that there are some conspiracies in the world, I know of quite a few proven ones like MKUltra and the Business Plot. I am sure their are a few going on right now but everything that happens is always blamed on some super global web filled with thousands of conspirators plotting the over throw of governments and have plans to turn the world into that torture state from 1984.

Just once I would like something big to happen and everyone be like "Wow that is obviously exactly what happened. I've taken the time to look over all the evidence and it seems obvious that, that is what happened."
Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-04-15 11:44:10 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Sidus Isaacs wrote:
I don't agree 100% with your definition of transhumanism, but arguing with fundies is a futile endeavor. If you really want to try and get a point across to them, logic and reason will only seek to further consolidate their own view, so you need to take another approach; question them, subtly make them ask questions and think for themselves. They will never be convinced right out however elegant your post might be. You need time, and you need to plant a seed of doubt in them.

Personally I think it strange how so many people view transhumanism is such a bad light, when its the single most positive force out there for the betterment of humanity, but than again, people fear change and what is new, more so since the concepts of transhumanism goes against the current culture in such a big way.

I mean, I did not read about transhumanism and decide in one day that is was awesome, it took time, research and reflection. Having rejected religion many years past (and actually thought hard about the concept), critical thinking comes easier now, but it is an acquired skill that many people never really get. After all, our culture does not really promote it, it promotes dumb conformity from an early age.

So while it is easy to dismiss fundies and other nutjobs, most of them are actually victimes of culture and circumstance.


Well in the end it depends on which stream of transhumanism do you agree with .
Singularitarianism ,Postgenderism and Extropianism intrigues me the most .

I've argued with many on YouTube (kinda ashamed about squander my neurons like that if I'm honest)
From Nationalists supporting the Tiananmen massacre , White Phosphorus usage on civilians in Gaza .
Evangelist saying I'm going to hell .
Holocaust denialists to global warming will be solved by Jesus sorts .
ZERO of them amounted to anything useful.

Try stating how Zero Point Energy will never work , they say you are a Oil Tycoon puppet.
Try stating how vaccines don't necessary will always cause autism , they start sprouting seudo science.
Try counter arguing the Islamic and Christian propaganda of how women are seen as equal . They start interpretting the holy texts as if they are the holy entity they believe in.

People are weird.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism

"Transhumanism (abbreviated as H+ or h+) is an international intellectual and cultural movement that affirms the possibility and desirability of fundamentally transforming the human condition by developing and making widely available technologies to greatly enhance human intellectual, physical, and psychological capacities."

I generally just stick to that, and the rest will follow naturally. To better ourselves, and to seek freedom from drudgery and meaningless "jobs". Extropianism is a good idea as well as a philosophy to have on top of it. Guess my overall philosophy can be called anarcho-transhumanism.

As for Singularitarianism, I see it simply as a natural cause of our accelerating technology. And it is fun to watch in realtime these days. Tech now, compared to just 10 years ago... well, it really speaks for itself. We have good things coming our way if we do it right.


I now and then post a snide comment on youtube, but really, I have never convinced anyone there about anything, and they have never convinced me either. I just don't care about these nutters all that much anymore. I rather just talk with reasonable people and work towards my own goals.

So I simply dismiss all the nutters, or if I feel like it i ask them questions that make them question their own ideas. Better to spend my time and energy to actually do something I find worthwhile, and lead by example. If they insist I follow a "cult of kurzweil" or some such nonsense, it does not matter.

However, if they genuinely ask me about my position, in an honest way out of curiosity, that is a whole other matter. But most do not do that.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#18 - 2013-04-15 11:59:37 UTC
IB4L

Ivy, do you realize that 4 of your last 4 generated threads have been locked ?

You just seriously need to stop.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-04-15 12:07:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Ivy Romanova
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
IB4L

Ivy, do you realize that 4 of your last 4 generated threads have been locked ?

You just seriously need to stop.


most of them are because of people veering off topic.
For some reason , talking about the flu will lead to talks about AIDS on Eve-o
and then there are my drunk threads Blink

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Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-04-15 12:09:27 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
IB4L

Ivy, do you realize that 4 of your last 4 generated threads have been locked ?

You just seriously need to stop.


Any interesting topic in these forums tend to be locked ;)

Used to be this place was actually a pretty interesting place to discuss a variety of topics, but now it is usually just meaningless stuff about trivial things.
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