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[Gallente Militia Release] Enaluri Liberated

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#21 - 2013-04-14 17:57:32 UTC
Anja Suorsa wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Scherezad wrote:
My heart goes out to those Caldari now under foreign rule. You are not forgotten by your kin and kirjuunen. Hold fast; we will come for you.

I believe Nennamaila has been under Federation control far longer than it has ever been under Caldari control. In fact, all children under 5 years old consider themselves, and rightly so, full Federation citizens.


That's blatant nonsense. The State held full sovereignty for thirty years before your Federation's encroachment. The station in the System, Wiyrkomi, the workers, Caldari. Perhaps if you want to attempt to smear the good name of our people, it might help you to have some facts to back up your case. That any child born of State citizens would ever consider themselves kakkushuugista, let alone five year old toddlers, is an idea beyond contempt.

You're a competent pilot, I'll give you that, but you have no place here in this game of politics.

I will rephrase: Nennmaila has been under Federation control longer than Caldari control ever since Tibus Heath sent his Titan to invade our home solar system. The children of Nennmaila know what freedom is, and they won't be brainwashed like their parents have by "The State".

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-04-14 18:27:42 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
As expected, gallenteans could not keep their word and occupied another system in Black Rise.
So, anyone here left who would believe a gallentean?

Remember, the more gallenteans you kill today, the faster occupations on Enaluri and Nennamaila will be lifted!


If you were just going to turn tail and run from Enaluri to begin with, why pretend that you care whether systems are occupied or not?

First, little gallentean lapdog has no idea what I am doing and where I am going, mostly because of opsec. I travel between systems very often, and when I leave one system to enter another, and you call it "running away", this only displays your ignorance and lack of awareness.

Second, talking about "running away", today the only thing that were running away were gallenteans. Somehow when I appeared on grid near they they either run or dock.

But remember, gallentean oppressors, you won't be able to hide forever!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#23 - 2013-04-14 19:42:50 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
I will rephrase: Nennmaila has been under Federation control longer than Caldari control ever since Tibus Heath sent his Titan to invade our home solar system. The children of Nennmaila know what freedom is, and they won't be brainwashed like their parents have by "The State".


Nonsense. Ask the Minmatar how many generations it takes before an enslaved people forget how to be free - there isn't time enough between now and the heat-death of the universe. Freedom isn't a ship you can destroy or a planet you can occupy - it is an idea you can't control.

So fine, you won the battle in space. Your fleet was larger and your militia was better organised. But a tyrant always sleeps uneasily and the subservience that he beats from his subjects is always layered thinly over a base of contempt and hatred. Swagger while you can, little man. Liberty will return to Enaluri.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#24 - 2013-04-14 19:50:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Rinai Vero
Diana Kim wrote:


But remember, gallentean oppressors, you won't be able to hide forever!


You would be the expert on hiding. I'm sure the next time I see you in space I can expect to see more kitey faggotry before you engage the cloak on your Hookbill.
Xao Chu-Li
Doomheim
#25 - 2013-04-14 20:25:47 UTC
Before I begin, I will make it clear that I love and support the Federation and its ideals.

With that said, calling this military occupation a "liberation" is an affront to a word that means so much to the Federation. A liberation would require the residents of the system being relieved of a subjugation holding them against their will; in the case of a foreign occupation, an illegitimate despot or a captivity. A liberation would require that those suffering under such circumstances cried out for assistance or sought freedom from their oppression.

None of this is the case with those citizens of Enaluri. The citizens of Enaluri were rightful citizens of the Caldari State, a legitimately recognized governing authority.

This is a military conquest, a conquering of foreign assets and territory. Do not profane the purity of liberation by turning it into a quaint political justification for military conquest. Do not cheapen the integrity of the soldiers fighting on both sides of the war by blatant dishonesty.
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#26 - 2013-04-14 20:39:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Makkal Hanaya
X Gallentius wrote:
In fact, all children under 5 years old consider themselves, and rightly so, full Federation citizens.

This is something of a mind-boggling statement.

How many children under 5 understand the concepts and implications of citizenship? Or can understand the politics, history, and culture of their home region enough to decide which government claiming authority in the region is legitimate?

Even if every child under 5 considered themselves Federal citizens, in political matters one looks to adults.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#27 - 2013-04-14 21:09:40 UTC
Disgusting. This entire thread is disgusting.

Katrina Oniseki

Hadrian Tivianne
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-04-14 21:13:01 UTC
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
In fact, all children under 5 years old consider themselves, and rightly so, full Federation citizens.

This is something of a mind-boggling statement.

How many children under 5 understand the concepts and implications of citizenship? Or can understand the politics, history, and culture of their home region enough to decide which government claiming authority in the region is legitimate?

Even if every child under 5 considered themselves Federal citizens, in political matters one looks to adults.

A conquering force will use anything to make their claims sound legitimate, regardless of how silly it sounds.

I'm just confused on the point at which it makes sense to conquer territory that isn't yours as opposed to defending the territory that is.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#29 - 2013-04-14 22:12:03 UTC
Phox Jorkarzul wrote:
You mean the Heth death squads that rounds up citizens that seek freeedom and to improve their lives, and then blames the Gallente for the acts?


No, he meant the Black Eagle death squads that rounds up citizens that seek freedom and to improve their lives, and then blames the Caldari for the acts.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

BloodBird
The Crucible.
#30 - 2013-04-14 22:14:26 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:
I don't know why we're calling it "liberated."


Because they are hypocrites. The Caldari saw fit to call the annexation and subjugation of my home-region a "campaign of liberation" years ago, and the FEDEF forces of the time derided them for this. Today, just like any other day, the term is still used where it does not fit for a variety of reasons, and many play along because yes, they are just that pety.

Your original announcement about not capturing systems in Black Rise was foolish, it was bound to fail, and the way Soter just washed his hands of it once the going got a little thougher is even more foolish. I did not expect much better from him and I was not let down. Imagine that. Soter is the single negative factor I know of regarding the Villore Accords, his continued position of power in the alliance is detremental to it's otherwise good reputation. Regardless...



You should get used to this kind of terminology. It's very standard, used in liberal quantities by anyone in any militia regardless of accuracy. It is increadibly annoying, but what can we do, other than use the proper terms ourselves?

On that note, congratulations to the FEDEF for their annexation of Enaluri. You sure seem to have fough hard for it.
Janeiros
Genstar Inc
#31 - 2013-04-14 23:03:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Janeiros
Enaluri is ours again! Feels good to take another system from the ruling of mega-heartless-corporations. We fought for them too. Congratulations to all of us warriors that committed to such a noble goal. Cheers!

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Julianus Soter
Blades of Liberty
#32 - 2013-04-15 01:52:08 UTC
To give appropriate credit, Smile N' Wave alliance and other Minmatar Republic pilots deserve thanks and praise for their steadfast support throughout the climax of the battle over the past few days.

The Republic/Federation alliance endures, and its strength is shown in the friendship between its capsuleers.

Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/

X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#33 - 2013-04-15 02:10:38 UTC
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
In fact, all children under 5 years old consider themselves, and rightly so, full Federation citizens.

This is something of a mind-boggling statement.

Mind-boggling but true. It really has been that long since any Caldari navy or militia personnel called Nennamaila home.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#34 - 2013-04-15 02:31:21 UTC
Mr. Gallentius, clip Ms. Hanaya's comments all you'd like, her point is valid: understanding citizenship takes age and experience. A child may salute one flag or another, and have no idea what it means. For me, I think I was sixteen before I truly started to understand duty.

If you say otherwise, you betray how little you understand duty, and the difference between wearing colors and honoring them.

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Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-04-15 02:47:05 UTC
Saying that we "Liberated" a planet from the Caldari that was never ours is the equivalent to the Amarr claiming they "uplifted", "saved", "enlightened", or even "brought salvation to" a Minmatar world by taking it over.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-04-15 04:17:42 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:


But remember, gallentean oppressors, you won't be able to hide forever!


You would be the expert on hiding. I'm sure the next time I see you in space I can expect to see more kitey faggotry before you engage the cloak on your Hookbill.


Your ignorance is outmatched only by your combat inaptitude, Miss Vero. I very rarely fly cloaked ships, and when I do, it is either covert ops, black ops or recons. I never did and never will fit a cloak on a hookbill. I don't know what do they teach in federal academies, but inability to collect proper intel is a critical flaw of a combat pilot.

And about seeing me in space, this is quite doubtfully, since I didn't see you in space. Maybe because you was actually docked all the time, eh?
Or how did you actually see me in a hookbill when I didn't see you? Maybe you did actually undock and sneaked to peek at my ship with your own cloak?
It would be interesting if you explain how exactly did you manage to see me in space.

Ha, that much about hiding ;)

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#37 - 2013-04-15 09:30:27 UTC
Janeiros wrote:
Enaluri is ours again! Feels good to take another system from the ruling of mega-heartless-corporations. We fought for them too. Congratulations to all of us warriors that committed to such a noble goal. Cheers!


You conquered them. You only took a few ships from the Militia, it's the poor citizens whose rights and freedoms you've trampled this day who pay the enduring price for your vanity.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Xao Chu-Li
Doomheim
#38 - 2013-04-15 10:24:25 UTC
Janeiros wrote:
Enaluri is ours again! Feels good to take another system from the ruling of mega-heartless-corporations. We fought for them too. Congratulations to all of us warriors that committed to such a noble goal. Cheers!


You flatter yourself and boast without reason. There is nothing noble in military occupation. It is sometimes necessary in times of war, but it is never noble.
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#39 - 2013-04-15 16:03:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Rinai Vero
Diana Kim wrote:


Your ignorance is outmatched only by your combat inaptitude, Miss Vero. I very rarely fly cloaked ships, and when I do, it is either covert ops, black ops or recons. I never did and never will fit a cloak on a hookbill. I don't know what do they teach in federal academies, but inability to collect proper intel is a critical flaw of a combat pilot.

And about seeing me in space, this is quite doubtfully, since I didn't see you in space. Maybe because you was actually docked all the time, eh?
Or how did you actually see me in a hookbill when I didn't see you? Maybe you did actually undock and sneaked to peek at my ship with your own cloak?
It would be interesting if you explain how exactly did you manage to see me in space.

Ha, that much about hiding ;)


It was in a plex in Nennamaila a few days ago, you and greg01 stuck around in your Hookbils until your Militia friends could scrape together enough Navy Slicers to outnumber our kitchen sink frig gang. We took some losses, then came back in Navy frigs ourselves, but the squids didn't have the stomach for that matchup. Since you never went out of range of my ships sensors, you'll have to volunteer some other explanation for why your ships would disappear repeatedly from the overview of every pilot in the engagement.

As for supposed combat ineptitude, you'll not find me making grandiose claims about my abilities or yours. Any pilot who cares to can find my combat record and decide for themselves. What they won't find are statistics padded by easy kills garnered by gimmick tactics or camping hisec undocks.

Also, next time try not to lose another Zealot in trade for one of my Thrashers. Talk about inflating my kill efficiency.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#40 - 2013-04-15 16:49:59 UTC
This is unseemly, pilots. We can all tell stories about the warzone that'll make our opponents look like idiots and cowards - it's the nature of the thing.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

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