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Multi-Boxing Incursion Vanguard sites w/ ISBoxer
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ShadowandLight
Trigger Happy Capsuleers
#61 - 2013-04-13 06:03:48 UTC
Jess Maine wrote:
xarjin wrote:
Jess Maine wrote:
culo duro wrote:
So why is it people hate ISBoxer?


It almost kills what an MMO is supposed to be about, the social aspect of finding pilots making friends and enemies along the way and completing or overcoming challenges with other pilots. Theres reasons why MMO's structure some of their content around player numbers or requiring a synergy ot different roles to complete an objective. Doing all of these by yourself means your not meeting anyone in the EVE Universe and your not having any impact on content generation.


Some folks would just rather enjoy a technical challenge than have to deal with an often volatile and unreliable social challenge.


Thats just one of the challenges that shouldn't easily overcome by just having more cash to pay for subs. Your going to meet volatile and unsocialable pilots in EVE, thats just how personalities go. If you simply didn't want the convinience of being anti-social and having no impact on the game that you should do missions, since thats what they were designed for - ultimate solitude while making a very small living.

It's the price you pay for not making waves in the EVE universe because most multboxers do what they do for self gain and thus contribute absoloutely nothing to the sandbox.


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Very anti-social helping friends rep POS's

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DelBoy Trades
Trotter Independent Traders.
Stealth Alliance
#62 - 2013-04-13 07:35:02 UTC
In this thread:

People severely butthurt that they can afford neither a powerful enough computer nor the subscription costs to achieve what OP is doing. Regarding the "soloing an MMO" comment, how is this any different from solemnly warping from belt to belt killing rats on your lonesome or mining with your hulk in some shithole part of highsec? He's doing the exact same thing, but with multiple clients.

Damn nature, you scary!
Eric Ryan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2013-04-13 10:10:02 UTC
ShadowandLight wrote:


http://i.imgur.com/fpEQ5Cx.png

Very anti-social helping friends rep POS's


You are 11 archons short.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#64 - 2013-04-13 11:10:55 UTC
DelBoy Trades wrote:
In this thread:

People severely butthurt that they can afford neither a powerful enough computer nor the subscription costs to achieve what OP is doing. Regarding the "soloing an MMO" comment, how is this any different from solemnly warping from belt to belt killing rats on your lonesome or mining with your hulk in some shithole part of highsec? He's doing the exact same thing, but with multiple clients.


Bloobloo, nobody is jealous of botters. Change the record.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#65 - 2013-04-13 13:56:19 UTC
Roime wrote:
DelBoy Trades wrote:
In this thread:

People severely butthurt that they can afford neither a powerful enough computer nor the subscription costs to achieve what OP is doing. Regarding the "soloing an MMO" comment, how is this any different from solemnly warping from belt to belt killing rats on your lonesome or mining with your hulk in some shithole part of highsec? He's doing the exact same thing, but with multiple clients.


Bloobloo, nobody is jealous of botters. Change the record.

If you have evidence the OP is botting, you should report it. Suggesting it here doesn't help.

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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#66 - 2013-04-13 14:31:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Mina Sebiestar
Is this pulling enough isk profit for you?

i noticed that you completed single site in ~14min(assuming video speed is 2X)..i would kill my self(from boredom) if i need to farm isk in incursion with that low time.

Five tank mods..amar bs's ...orbiting..dipping to ~5% armor...good luck man.

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DelBoy Trades
Trotter Independent Traders.
Stealth Alliance
#67 - 2013-04-13 20:53:23 UTC
Roime wrote:
Bloobloo, nobody is jealous of botters. Change the record.


Do you even know what a bot is? ISBoxer is a key repeater, if you leave your computer everything stops, a bot keeps going without you. ISBoxer provides no automation whatsoever, you are a true moron.

Damn nature, you scary!
saltrock0000
State War Academy
Caldari State
#68 - 2013-04-14 09:34:07 UTC
DelBoy Trades wrote:
Roime wrote:
Bloobloo, nobody is jealous of botters. Change the record.


Do you even know what a bot is? ISBoxer is a key repeater, if you leave your computer everything stops, a bot keeps going without you. ISBoxer provides no automation whatsoever, you are a true moron.



Finally someone who understands what ISboxer is \o/ really all you need to do this is a key and a mouse repeater, although isboxers videofx, repeater regions etc. are a very nice add-on.

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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#69 - 2013-04-14 09:35:19 UTC
saltrock0000 wrote:
DelBoy Trades wrote:
Roime wrote:
Bloobloo, nobody is jealous of botters. Change the record.


Do you even know what a bot is? ISBoxer is a key repeater, if you leave your computer everything stops, a bot keeps going without you. ISBoxer provides no automation whatsoever, you are a true moron.



Finally someone who understands what ISboxer is \o/ really all you need to do this is a key and a mouse repeater, although isboxers videofx, repeater regions etc. are a very nice add-on.



Key repeating is a kind of automation. It saves you performing those key repeats on multiple machines therefor you gain an unfair advantage to a player that has to key repeat on each of those machines.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#70 - 2013-04-14 12:44:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Sentamon
unfair advantage! Roll

like buying plex
like paying for alt accounts
like owning a better computer
like having a better internet connection
like having more time to play
like having some give you isk for nothing .. and so on

... don't know how you get up in the morning with life being so unfair

Fact is, an isboxer alt is at a huge disadvantage to a live player and so is the player trying to control several at once.

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Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#71 - 2013-04-14 12:46:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Skeln Thargensen
xarjin wrote:
If your mad because you cant multibox it's a hobby that you either wouldn't enjoy anyway or couldn't because of financial reasons or still owning a six year old "gaming" computer. Sorry i cant afford a Porche Carerra S either but it's fun for those than can.


i don't really care about people using ISbox, it's never bothered my game, but it's just weird that CCP consider AFK activites like farming plexes to be such an issue that drones now have to be **** but farming incursions with multiple accounts with ISBox control is legit. it would just be nice if CCP stopped nerfing the game for people on single accounts.

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Demolishar
United Aggression
#72 - 2013-04-14 12:51:16 UTC
PLEX is not skyrocketing - therefore multi-account usage is under control. That is all that really matters here.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#73 - 2013-04-14 12:54:09 UTC
Skeln Thargensen wrote:

i don't really care about people using ISbox, it's never bothered my game, but it's just weird that CCP consider AFK activites like farming plexes to be such an issue that drones now have to be **** but farming incursions with multiple accounts with ISBox control is legit. it would just be nice if CCP stopped nerfing the game for people on single accounts.


Because one is a lifeless AFK for 23.5 hours a day activity and the other involves live players?

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saltrock0000
State War Academy
Caldari State
#74 - 2013-04-14 12:58:30 UTC  |  Edited by: saltrock0000
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
xarjin wrote:
If your mad because you cant multibox it's a hobby that you either wouldn't enjoy anyway or couldn't because of financial reasons or still owning a six year old "gaming" computer. Sorry i cant afford a Porche Carerra S either but it's fun for those than can.


i don't really care about people using ISbox, it's never bothered my game, but it's just weird that CCP consider AFK activites like farming plexes to be such an issue that drones now have to be **** but farming incursions with multiple accounts with ISBox control is legit. it would just be nice if CCP stopped nerfing the game for people on single accounts.



"AFK activities" Controlling logi as well as your own dps squad even with ISboxer certainly isn't a "AFK activity" Its actually very stressful and difficult to master.

If you want to highlight afk activities why not mention moon mining, market games - seeing as once you've placed a buy/sell order you are free to log off and your still making isk, or you know actual bots. As stated and proven by CCP ISboxer is not a botting automation program :P

Before repeaters and stuff people used to celotape mouse's together and try and engineer funny devices to control more then 1 computer.


Now if you really want to open up a whole shitstorm why not start mentioning spread sheets, market checkers as well as many other programs out there which "automate" a lot of activities for you.... Spread sheets - stops you having to make many calculations thus "automated"..... Market checkers - stops you having to fly "x" amount of jumps to go check different market regions for buy/sell orders. Hell even Evemon automates the game, meaning you don't have to log in and click on character sheet to check your skills..... :O even EFT, stops you having to buy and load out a ship to test and see what ehp/dps you get.

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Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#75 - 2013-04-14 13:27:36 UTC
saltrock0000 wrote:
[quote=Skeln Thargensen][quote=xarjin]"AFK activities" Controlling logi as well as your own dps squad even with ISboxer certainly isn't a "AFK activity" Its actually very stressful and difficult to master.

If you want to highlight afk activities why not mention moon mining, market games - seeing as once you've placed a buy/sell order you are free to log off and your still making isk, or you know actual bots. As stated and proven by CCP ISboxer is not a botting automation program :P


what i mean is that you can accomplish farming by using multiple accounts and ISbox instead of going AFK with drones not that using ISBox is AFK play. so, i guess ISK farming isn't a problem if you're multiboxing?

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saltrock0000
State War Academy
Caldari State
#76 - 2013-04-14 16:42:29 UTC  |  Edited by: saltrock0000
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
saltrock0000 wrote:
[quote=Skeln Thargensen][quote=xarjin]"AFK activities" Controlling logi as well as your own dps squad even with ISboxer certainly isn't a "AFK activity" Its actually very stressful and difficult to master.

If you want to highlight afk activities why not mention moon mining, market games - seeing as once you've placed a buy/sell order you are free to log off and your still making isk, or you know actual bots. As stated and proven by CCP ISboxer is not a botting automation program :P


what i mean is that you can accomplish farming by using multiple accounts and ISbox instead of going AFK with drones not that using ISBox is AFK play. so, i guess ISK farming isn't a problem if you're multiboxing?



The old drone mechanics ment you could pretty much achieve afk play, grab agro with a gun then afk till site was over.

There are only 2 ways you play eve, 1 your pvping 2 your "isk farming" to use your phrase. There is no other way to play the game, your either making isk or loosing isk.

The whole downside to soloing vanguards is just about any kitchen sink fleet will beat you in any contest, meaning you will waste a lot of time, also the added risk of loosing ships if your ISP drops or you get a socket closed error. So really to use another overused argument on here "risk vs reward" risk with isboxer is a lot higher then without.

CCP at the end of the day is a business and 1 person with 10 accounts is their ideal customer, they are after all paying 10 times that of the casual player

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DelBoy Trades
Trotter Independent Traders.
Stealth Alliance
#77 - 2013-04-15 01:12:34 UTC
Miilla wrote:
Key repeating is a kind of automation. It saves you performing those key repeats on multiple machines therefor you gain an unfair advantage to a player that has to key repeat on each of those machines.

Yes, as an individual you are at an advantage, but as 11 paid for accounts, if anything you are at a disadvantage as there is only 1 brain controlling the whole lot compared to 11 brains. IE. 11 individuals flying one ship each have much better odds compared to one guy flying 11 ships, yet they both pay the same subscription costs.

If it came down to it, you could hire 10 Chinese gold farmers to come and live with you and play the auxiliary accounts, but no one likes house guests, so ISBoxer was born, deal with it.

Damn nature, you scary!
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#78 - 2013-04-15 01:19:24 UTC
Miilla wrote:
Key repeating is a kind of automation.
…in the same sense as riding a bicycle uphill is automation.
Tesal
#79 - 2013-04-15 01:30:26 UTC
At a certain point this stuff might get out of control. If everyone starts to do it, it will likely get banned. Its kind of dumb to spread this stuff around and make forum posts about it.

As for myself, I would be very glad to see it banned. It goes against the spirit of the game multi-boxing to the extreme. The game is EvE Online, not Mass Button Control.
Wodensun
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#80 - 2013-04-15 02:14:28 UTC
Tesal wrote:
At a certain point this stuff might get out of control. If everyone starts to do it, it will likely get banned. Its kind of dumb to spread this stuff around and make forum posts about it.

As for myself, I would be very glad to see it banned. It goes against the spirit of the game multi-boxing to the extreme. The game is EvE Online, not Mass Button Control.


So running multiple clients in windowed mode and just alt tabbing is ok?

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