EVE General Discussion

if they made the LP payouts anywhere near as good as L5 missions I would totally run them in low. what's the best you can make in a one room blapfest like the blockade? 15000?

yeah, might have to try that out. I've run the novice plexes and L1s with a minmatar alt before but I was falling prone to piracy somewhat. but if I can take my sentries anyone popping in to say hi will catch a burn

If missions were structured in such a way that in order to do them effectively you didn't need to be flying a ridiculously fit, incredibly vulnerable ship that can't defend itself against other players then it might be appropriate to move level 4 missions to lowsec.

Regardless of whether or not mission runners would actually go to lowsec to run level 4s all that would do is introduce a bunch of totally defenseless targets to lowsec and that doesn't seem particularly valuable to me.

I'm all for looking at highsec PVE income and adding additional risk to it, but I think moving level 4 missions to lowsec is probably not the way to do it.

The only possible response to this thread now or in the future:

Monty Python

How about keeping faction patrols in lowsec? They are, after all, still empire space. There might be no concord but full-blown pirates will eventually get mobbed by faction police.

Since we're on that topic, make faction police pay bounties in lowsec, to provide a legitmate excuse for fighting them.

Next we make it that because lowsec is about increased risk, lowsec faction patrols will have sleeper ai, use drones, scram/web, use ECM and generally fight like players, they will viciously target neutral pirates, enemy FW players and AWOXers.

Next we increase the density of mission hubs slightly and introduce a techmoon or two to the empire territories.

Since people whining about L4's want more nullsec space to be a pack of slavering yuppies in, let's make the barrier to hitting highsec a little higher for this group of people whom, aside from their sec status, have no limitations to participating in highsec/lowsec activities.

Indeed. And yet even as we speak they organise their union activity against paying residents of New Eden. What we need is some form of 'Space Thatcher' to make the CSM more accountable to all eve players.

CCP tried this with faction warfare button-spinning. It didn't work as well as many people would have expected. Lowsec filled up with 3-day-old button spinning alts who would warp to a safespot the moment anyone entered local.

The greatest problem with lowsec from a carebear's perspective is the people in lowsec who will shoot everything that moves (and if it doesn't move, they'll bump it so it does move, then shoot it because it's moving).

I think the carrot needs to be offered to people in lowsec to not shoot some people. Why would a trigger happy PvPer decide to not shoot something? What sort of reward could be on offer that would be sweeter than exploding someone else's ship?

A more honest thread title would have been "Moving All Level 4 Mission Runners to Another Game."

CCP's accounting department would like a word with you.

ok boys and girls.

back in 2005 upto 2008

I ran missions in low sec or null sec.

why did I do this??

better lp rewards and income.
and low sec was must more empty back then and if you played your cards right and befriended the locals. you usually got left alone if you kept your head on.

Did I lose ships to low sec pvpers? yes and no.
sometimes it was bad luck and what not.
Did I ever get scanned down? nope.

places I missioned off of the top of me head were.

Ziriert
Hophib << lost a sacriledge here to dumn luck
Yahyerer
Gyerzen << my 1st pvp was in this system.. I killed me a loot thief lol
Aranir << lost a raven to a sacriledge and his 2 friends and after he dide they was on grid.
and last but not least.
G-0Q86 < lost an apoc to a random gate camp.
lost other shiops tooo but that's the part and parcel of low/null missions.

would I do them now days??? lol nope.

Back in those days, when we were strapping rockets onto pterodactyls, not everybody and every thing in lowsec was attacked. In fact the small fish were left alone and this was BEFORE WTZ.

Yes that's right, before WTZ.


It was not like some nullsec napfest though. Some of the first skills you learn is how to use AB/MWD.

As Matrix Skye likes to say when people complain about carebears and lowsec's lack of activity or targets: "You people won lowsec. You killed everybody. Congratulations." (Paraphrasing here).



Back in the day there were pirates and they went after big fish who should know better (and did) and they lived off loot and ransom. Small fish were left alone - griefing a noob out of the game (and therefore less targets in the future) was not worth the KM. This is why we don't shoot baby ducks and most game animals have size limits. If you were a big wheel you could make arrangements or beat the pirates. A good time was had by all.

Now it's simply killmail whoring, anything and everything. And when someone does get their act together and tries to break up a camp, what happens? They all jump into an Orca and that jumps into highsec.

Meanwhile, the scanning mechanics, though opening up a great avenue towards exploration that have been my career, made it so that any monkey can scan down any ship.

Now in that latter part, the gate camp was the hardest part to deal with, but any ship equipped to run, or a pilot with skills in how to handle these situations, had a chance (a chance is the important part. You play poker for a chance to win, not to just hand over money) to make it to their mission. Then there was the gauntlet run of getting out later. It was not a picnic, but it was not a lose lose situation either.

Scanning was the end of low-sec mission running, for it became immensely easier to scan a target down, but there was nothing to help the target. The target has the same mechanics for a decade.