EVE General Discussion

Players had that ability before. I got into lots of fights before with multiple corp buddies of the flipped person and it was great. Now it's basically like lowsec if you flip a can and everyone can shoot you, meaning it's made flipping useless/pointless. That's my point.

The first few responses did not bash you. I asked you why the effects of the change were a problem, and your response was it was "Softening up the game" without actually responding to what I said. Combine that with your statement of "I find solo PVP to be a waste of ISK", your whole thread up to that point sounds like nothing more than "CCP made it marginally harder for me to get effortless 300 mil KMs D:"

Granted, you're still going to get trolls even if you do post a well-reasoned argument, but the reason they were so many (and the proper responses so few) is because you didn't have one. You were not making an argument that the game was negatively affected by a change, you were whining, and that's going to significantly affect the quality of responses you get.

No, only the person and his corp (some players are in a corp by themselves or npc corps) that could shoot you before...
The new system works so that new players (who dont have the ability to fight back) can be defended from pirates that will steal from noobs...

And before that it was anyone in your gang (yes, it was called a gang back then) would see the flipper go flashy.

I think that was changed in/around Apocrypha to be "your corp only" or something. It's nice that they're getting away from that, but they might've gone ever so slightly too far in who can shoot who.

I've only posted a few times before. I wanted to talk about the recent changes that have turned me off from the game. I have 5 accounts and barely play now. Just log in and keep the skill queues running. My original corp has disbanded due to RL obligations and it's hard to get in with new people because no one trusts anyone and it's hard to do a lot by yourself except for just flying around doing PvP. I want to get a POS setup in nullsec and start doing some serious mining ops or other activities. ....I'm sure this will give others more ammunition. Fire away.

If you're going to throw valuable things in the trash, you should be ready to face the possibility of someone taking it from you... surely?

When all else fails, pull out the argument from three years ago. The same one shot down a hundred times.

Mr Epeen

Oh hey look, it's someone who has never shot a person in highsec.

The "flipping" part of canflipping literally does not work anymore. Regardless of the pros and cons of being flagged to everyone in the game (which would be apparent to you if you had ever actually done the thing that this thread is about) you cannot actually "flip" a can anymore without using an unrelated, non-flagged character in addition to the character gaining the flag.

But hey, you wouldn't know anything about that, would you?

1. He never said otherwise, and specifically said that he got in fun fights with corpmates. So I don't see what "No, only the person and his corp (some players are in a corp by themselves or npc corps) that could shoot you before... " this was supposed to indicate other than not reading his post.

2. Why shouldn't there be consequences to flying alone in dangerous space (all space in EVE is, by definition, dangerous)? Sometimes your ore gets stolen and you're best option is to move to another belt.

3. When I used to flip cans to get fights, I'd go after Exhumers because they were more likely to aggress. Very few people bother to hunt newbies because newbies generally don't have anything worth taking.

4. Plenty of miners who have been mining for a long time don't bring Orcas. I don't know why, they just don't.

One person getting it.