EVE General Discussion

Sorry, I am perhaps being a bit of a **** about this, but...

You did specifically say that PVP in low/null wasn't viable without a group. If you were "very successful" at it then you would not view it as flushing ISK down the drain.

Further, the prior system offered pretty much zero risk to you. No mining ship is going to have a warp scrambler, so you can warp out whenever necessary. There would never be any real assistance to be offered to the ganked mining ship; he was on his own, no matter how many friends he had. There was no interesting thoughts or decisionmaking to be had.

You warp into a belt in a ship small enough to look weak but powerful enough to kill a hulk (so, a t1 frigate), flip a can, and hope he shoots you. If he does, great! You get a free KM. If he doesn't? Darn, move onto next target. That's not interesting that's just farming stupidity.

Miners and canflippers can now make intelligent choices. A miner can have friends on standby to gank the canflipper. The canflipper needs to decide whether he wants to still go around in a t1 frigate, or try something larger. The canflipper can employ mind games like doing the flipping in a cheapfit t1 frigate, letting himself be destroyed, and coming back to destroy the complacent miners in a cruiser or something. Maybe the miners have a friend that came back in a combat ship and you get a good fight out of it, or maybe they were stupid and you get multiple exhumer kills out of it. Maybe you still do the flipping in a t1 frigate and have a friend come in with remote reps.

There is no disadvantage to the new system except an unwillingness to put that kind of mental effort into it.

My goal was never to kill the exhumer, but the ship they would go and get. And when I said I was successful at PvP it was specifically dealing with flipping fights, the ones with the ships they would bring back, not the exhumers. I found only success in lowsec/nullsec in a group. It seems I need some more practice in the "real EVE" area of play. Apologies for misspeaking.

Yes.

alright, sorry. it's just that everytime CCP change the game in ways that make it harder to grief or gank the entire forum absolutely ***** themselves and starts shrieking about themeparks and other, less favoured MMOs. it's a bit dull. grief play is only an aspect and not the end all and be all of eve. there's masses of other stuff to do.

only if you have a whale on grid.

Just thought it was better before when you only aggressed the guy mining into the can and his corp.

One of the reasons so few people are explaining themselves and most of them are just bashing you is because you haven't ever actually explained what about the old system is better. You started a thread and said "I don't like this". Then, you responded and said "I still don't like this".

Seems like to me most of the people commenting on here are "elitist" players that would rather bash people than offer a sound debate. Yes, my title/first post was a bit broad, but I assumed most would know what I was getting at. Guess not.

I stated earlier that i didn't want the exhumer kills. I wanted the combat ship they came back with.

Au contraire, my fellow pod pilot.

They know exactly what you are getting at. Hence the laughter and derision at your expense.

Mr Epeen