Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Because, as has been said before, resist bonuses are without a doubt the most versatile bonus in the game, having numerous benefits. Not even I am arguing that point.

Also, Askulf, why are we dealing with weaknesses in armor mods by nerfing hulls (including a nerf to armor resist, making that situation even worse), instead of say, nerfing shield mods, or boosting armor mods?

Ancillary reps have already been acknowledged in their first iteration as being too strong and were nerfed, raising active rep bonuses again could see us right back on that issue for those ships while at the same time leaving other ships using other active tanks severely lacking. But i guess if you think active tanking should only ever be workable on rep bonused hulls that doesn't matter to you.

yup ,
it is targeted against caldari and amarr , thats all have to say

Then I want these hulls/subsystems to pick up some minor local rep bonus as your engaging in this nerf for PvP purposes, but not offering the hulls anything for the unmentioned PvE nerf. Either that, or some other balancing needs to be done to the PvE environment to balance that against all these PvP balances. Because, to be perfectly honest with you, from a PvP aspect, I have not yet seen one single proposed change, whether a nerf or a buff, that I have any issues with beyond some small amount of nostalgia (and if you don't think I PvP, look me up on either Battleclinic or Eve-Kill... I may not PvP regularly, but I feel I do have a solid history of it), but from the perspective of missions, all I see are ships that people once went to as the strongest option to do them with getting weaker while the rats remain unchanged, and especially for someone like me who prefers to run all my missions solo when I grind them, and obviously more so for lower skilled/newer players, this issue is just becoming more and more pronounced. And I don't mean this in regards to Incursion PvE, either, that style of PvE mimics PvP close enough to not be worth commenting on, however, actual mission running (which includes the much vaunted Epic Arcs) seems to be consistently being pushed to the wayside and ignored and simply becoming an issue of ceaselessly becoming more difficult to do effectively with no end in site. Please, CCP Fozzie, Rise, any and all Devs, take a few days, give this some thought, and put up a thread concerning it. I am not asking you to rush any such issues through in time for Odyssey, as I believe this is just as, if not more so, far reaching within the game then you currently think all of these PvP changes are... because, after all, what is every new player first exposed to upon finding the game if they wish to learn how to start becoming effective in playing it? Missions!

In order to achieve the same spread post nerf for local active tank efficiency between the bonuses while maintaining the 5% per lvl would be a ~9.3% bonus. Moving armor repair less negates a part of the desired effect and going even at that level likely has the same affects you pointed out.

I'm not seeing a good value for it, and that leaves the complications of active shields aside.

I admit, the changes do focus on those races very heavily, yet I still would have no qualms with a 4% resist/lvl hyperion.

I can definintly understand why they want to slice some points off the top, but its a problem with no simple, straightforward answers. It will take multiple rebalances to get this right, so we are going to be talking about this for a while, becuase all I see is choice between some pretty ****** options on trying to reign in the fact that resists above 75% or so on subcaps scale up to become overpowered with relatively little fitting effort and expense. Even though the hull bonus does not suffer stacking penalty, it is still only one 25% bonus that has to be complimented with a specific module set to take advantage of this broken gameplay.

In short, they are not going to get away with balancing resists that easily. I really think that this will end up coming back to rebalancing shield tank modules, and rounding out the armor tank module set with the things it needs to compete. And that is not even considering the way remote reps works into all of this.

Can you not read? You would take ~6.667% more damage (with max skills) after this change, period. There are no exceptions. It doesn't matter what fitting the ship has. It doesn't matter what resistance numbers you have. After the change you take ~6.667% more damage. Really not that complicated.

Do you not understand that each addtional point of resist has a more powerful effect than the last? And that 6.7% of x is not 6.7% of y if x does not equal y? I have a degree in math buddy, don't tell me something is equal when it is obviously not.

Congratulations, you've come to the realization that you can be shot by different things that can potentially do different amounts of damage. Good for you.

Guess what actually matters! After this change all those different things, no matter what amount of damage they do... will do ~6.667% more damage than they would have done before the change!

Welcome to the internet, where so far the only degree you have is in really really bad math. You're still talking about additive points of resistance in a system that exclusively uses multiplicative variables, the misguided nature of this is beyond me.

Yes, we all know how DPS works, you fail to understand is that no matter how you fit your ship post patch you will take an additional 6.667% damage. Or if this makes it eaiser your EHP will drop by 6.667%