EVE General Discussion

Approximately 12 weeks ago PHEW's directors entered a discussion regarding new ways to pin supercapitals at login. As we're based in lowsec, the target could technically land and jump out to a waiting cyno. The progress we made in this discussion was both exciting and worrying.

I'll cut to the chase because you're all damn lazy.

I'll also start by saying that so far,*** PHEW has not made use of this mechanic*** - though we intended to, i'm posting this now because we've recieved intel that shows other entities (Yes PL, we mean you) are getting close to working it out - if they havnt already, and i'm an ***hole and don't want them to get any shiney kills :P

The discussion turned to the mechanics of logging in whilst in space. here's what you all already know:
*You spawn 1mil km from your logoff spot at what i'll be calling the 'e-warp spot' for the duration of this post.
*You cannot stop that warp.
*You spawn at this location, regardless of whether you are logged out in a POS, or not.
*You cannot cyno/jump out whilst your warp drive is active (even if you are not actually in warp)
*The direction of the 1mil KM e-warp spot is random.

Now the interesting part:
*On log-in, you cannot be tackled whilst your ship is aligning, not by bubbles (even though previous patch notes claim this has been changed - it has not), or by targeted scramblers.
*If you use a HIC to tackle a titan at it's e-warp spot, the point turns on, but does absolutely nothing.
*If shot whilst aligning to your log-out spot, you do take damage, you can be neuted etc.


The logical train of thought here is you now need to find a way to keep the target ship from warping from his 1mil km emergency spot, to his original log-out location - so.. YOU BUMP IT. 100mn fleet stabber works best. :) - then bring another char in to make a cyno and bring backup to kill him - when he blows up (hopefully) his warp drive will still be active, trying to warp to his log-out spot at his POS or w/e :D

Some more interesting points:
*If you fly a levi, your missiles do no damage whilst your warp drive is active.
*You cannot light a cyno whilst your warp drive is active - so unless you have another char, you cant bring backup in.
*You cannot abort your warp, so you can't change where your ship is trying to go - this makes bumping very easy, as the enemy only has to make sure you can't warp to where you logged out.
*This mechanic works best if the target is in a POS when it logs out originally, because you can sit 2000km off the tower with your probing bump stabber cloaked - you know exactly what direction his ship wants to warp in - it also means you'll land in-front of the target when you warp @ 20km (for titan) or 10km (for supers).


How do we know it works? we tested it vs our own titans.

What ships does it work on?
*ALL TITANS (does not work on ragnarok's if fit with nomad sets)
*Supercarrier pilots with low skills (holding alts etc)

How can it be avoided?
Fitting a MWD and activating it immediately overloaded for a single cycle in order to speed up warp on log-in.

Is it an exploit?
We believe no, because based on CCP's patch notes (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1335076#post1335076) there would be no need for bumps in nullsec. All our mechanic did was make this possible in lowsec.

However, it has since been confirmed that the above linked post is incorrect. a bubble will not stop you warping - bumps however will. Based on this, and the significant disadvantages to the pilot being attacked (not being able to stop warp etc) it is most likely an exploit.

If this is ruled within game rules - it effectively means, all you need to do to kill titans, is put 3 alts on a gate and camp it, letting his friends see you... and wait for him to log in. Manipulation and predictability at it's finest ;)

I look forward to hearing your opinions on this, and CCP's clarification as to whether or not this is an exploit.

-Rocket X
-PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS

P.S. All PHEW supers are fit with MWD's at logoff - so don't even try it :)

no, they don't... but log out, wait till you disappear, when you log back in... your ship will warp in from 1mil km... trust me...

*probes are pre-launched and dragged off of d-scan range - your alt wouldnt see them...
*session change means the stabber will land it's first bump before you can get the Super char in fleet and warp to it.
*You can't web supers anyway you derp.
*you're gonna need more than 'several friends' if someones trying to kill your supercap.

Jesus... has eve got even dumber? i didnt think it was possible :/ re-read the post.

You set the probes well ahead of time and hit scan once when you see the target log in on your watchlist.

Yeah this works, It's been done several times already and I wasn't aware that it was actually a secret?

You have to either:
1) Force a super to log on (putting a gang of Vindicators a couple systems in front of their scouts usually works)
2) Know what time that super logs in (usually) and watch it.

To combat it, it's easy.
1) Don't be ********.

Also, as far as I'm aware rocket this isn't an exploit :)
Look forward to seeing the titan kills

probably should get ruled as an exploit, imo as logging off at a pos is supposed to be 'safe'...

ships should just respawn at the pos, instead of at an ewarp spot .. or be insubstatitial at their ewarp spot so they can ewarp back to their logoff spot, imo,

i don't think it is tbh. .. it's just harder to pull off than people realize.. you only have 30ish seconds to scan, warp, land and start bumping. .. not easy

Interesting, thanks for sharing, instead of going ahead and doing it till someone rules it an exploit.

I guess thats why everyone else hasn't mentioned it before.

I look forward to hearing CCP's opinion.

Questions:

What's the window of time from the appearance of the super in the system on login (assuming we see the super pilot appear in local) and the time it takes to scan it with combat probes?

Is this based on the amount of time it takes the super to align? How much time is that?

I imagine someone really up on their probing skills could do this easily, but what's the average AU range of the probes that can pick up a super ("warpable hit")? 16AU, 8 AU?

I like the fact that you are people using your brains. :)