EVE General Discussion

Well he wanted my opinion and I gave him my delusional ramblings rattling around in my head But yes I agree. Eve has become too friendly if that's the correct term for it. And because it has become too friendly the core elements of what make Eve appealing have diminished.

I remember reading about Titan kills and gawking at the thought. Or reading reports of Battleship fleets spending hours traveling and maneuvering across null sec just to engage an enemy. Strategy and tact were what made those FC's and fights legendary in my mind.

I remember my first trek into low sec scared out of my mind and being blown up. Luckily that Pirate gave me advise. And I wanted that power over other players that he had. The unpredictability in Eve is what is most appealing. The unknown. Sadly I think with such Coalitions and power blocks today it seems that the players have outgrown New Eden.

Probably the dozen people who actually sit at their computer instead of AFKing when missioning or mining....

I have removed a personal attack from this thread.

Truth

Missions in losec (regardless of where the agent is based) need to be based around doing them in PvP fit ships.

Nobody in their right mind is going to go to losec, especially if it's FW losec, in a PvE fit ship to do missions, regardless of the potential reward.

Those not in their right mind (or unwilling to do any research) will do it once then be forever scared of entering losec. The odds of survival are just too low.

Judging from the people I've ganked you are in the minority

I do want to respond to a couple of things you've said here and some other points in this thread:

Firstly, you refer to the 'stubborness of those who refuse to accept risk' - I have two things I want to say about this:

1) Why on earth would someone, in their nice shiny BS want to jump into low and try and mish whilst avoiding being popped when they can have their cake and eat it in high sec. Yes, certainly risk averse, but sensible surely? If you fancy a pint of beer, you're probably gonna go down to your local where you can have a nice quiet pint, than the dodgy end of town pub where you are likely to get beaten up/mugged just so you can have your pint? No L4 missioners wants to deliberately turn themselves into a sitting duck when they are in a pve fit BS.

2) Stubborness is irrelevant. Low sec dwellers are just as stubborn about the fact that they want more targets. Criticising someone for being risk averse in this case is silly, because they don't care that they are being risk averse.

Secondly, I think that although the OP has good intentions - ie by considering the influx of isk brought by missioning but I feel that a lot of the pro-low sec posters in here simply want to have more easy targets. You aren't demanding that more people go to low sec and pvp, you are demanding that more people go to low sec and present themselves as easy targets (I say easy targets because someone missioning is at a disadvantage being in a pve fit)

Thirdly, on a slightly different note, something I always note in these sorts of posts is that people who profess to be suicide gankers or pvpers nearly always argue that they are ganking someone who is afk, presumably to justify the kill. I find it hard to believe that all these people being ganked are all horrid nasty afk players.

Fourthly, has it ever occured to anyone that not all high sec missioners want to stay in high sec all the time? I personally want to mission in hi, but I don't mind going into low/null for other reasons. I simply don't want to waste isk replacing ships that I don't need to lose, because I can mish in high without having to risk getting popped in something expensive.

You pays your money, you makes your choice.

It amuses me how some tough-guy, Eve is a sandbox players, want to tell other folk how they should play.

CCP provide the sandbox, the players decide how to use it.

Don't like missions?

Don't do 'em.

Easy really.

Way to miss the point.

LIAR.