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[Odyssey] Navy Battlecruisers

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Solhild
Doomheim
#261 - 2013-04-11 22:04:10 UTC
Those that are suggesting that the Brutix/Myrmodon argument is a prelude to something more may be clutching at straws.

Here's my attempt a straw clutching...
Personally, I'll be happy if the Brutix/Myrmidon models swapped across the board and the Myrmidon became the base for the T2 Command ships, with the Brutix being used for the Navy variant.

As far as pirate factions go, something like this would be fantastic:

Guristas - need completely new and distinct models for all ships
Serpentis - need completely new and distinct models for all ships
Angel - need completely new and distinct models for all ships
Blood Raider - need completely new and distinct models for all ships
Sansha - need more awesome designs (plus destroyer, carrier, dread and freighters etc.)
EOM - Amarr/Gallente mix, new and distinct models
?? - Caldari/Minmatar mix, new and distinct models

Now include incursions from all of the above (plus sleepers) and that would be an expansion to beat Apocrypha Twisted
David Kir
Hotbirds
#262 - 2013-04-11 22:37:38 UTC
Solhild wrote:
Those that are suggesting that the Brutix/Myrmodon argument is a prelude to something more may be clutching at straws.

Here's my attempt a straw clutching...
Personally, I'll be happy if the Brutix/Myrmidon models swapped across the board and the Myrmidon became the base for the T2 Command ships, with the Brutix being used for the Navy variant.

As far as pirate factions go, something like this would be fantastic:

Guristas - need completely new and distinct models for all ships
Serpentis - need completely new and distinct models for all ships
Angel - need completely new and distinct models for all ships
Blood Raider - need completely new and distinct models for all ships
Sansha - need more awesome designs (plus destroyer, carrier, dread and freighters etc.)
EOM - Amarr/Gallente mix, new and distinct models
?? - Caldari/Minmatar mix, new and distinct models

Now include incursions from all of the above (plus sleepers) and that would be an expansion to beat Apocrypha Twisted



Yeah, the whole balancing thing is nice, but let's not forget it, this is the game, and most of the players are in for the sci-fi, not the balancing.

As stupid as it may seem, visuals and "the awe effect" are much more important than a handful of hitpoints on some hull...

BTW: I think they're opening up Jove space!

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Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication
#263 - 2013-04-11 22:45:22 UTC
Jureth22 wrote:
Jureth22 wrote:
but why brutix and not myrmidon?


also,why are they just remakes of the old bc`s in a new paint?


Because it is an easier way to add more ships to the game by simply changing their paint job and stats than designing a new frame from the ground up.

Cloaking is the closest thing to a "Pause Game" button one can get while in space.

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#264 - 2013-04-11 22:52:30 UTC
Petrified wrote:
Jureth22 wrote:
Jureth22 wrote:
but why brutix and not myrmidon?


also,why are they just remakes of the old bc`s in a new paint?


Because it is an easier way to add more ships to the game by simply changing their paint job and stats than designing a new frame from the ground up.

For faction navy ships we've never really had a precedent of new hulls though, so why would we expect it this time?
Enya Sparhawk
Black Tea and Talons
#265 - 2013-04-11 22:53:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Enya Sparhawk
I think the idea of introducing Navy Battlecruisers is pretty cool...

But personally, I think they should be made more role specific as opposed to being more flexible
(Don't get me wrong, an 8 laucher Navy Drake is pretty cool.)

It is a navy ship afterall, so why would the navy have to make a ship like this in the first place? (aside from being an "attack" version of a standard BC)

What really defines their purpose? (its by definition, a role playing ship right?)
I think giving each ship a unique role bonus would really set them apart (obviously something other than dmg or anything that overpowers it; perhaps a fleet bonus based on how many navy ships are in its fleet? Birds of the feather...)


That's my two isk on the matter...

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Bíonn súil le muir ach ní bhíonn súil le tír.

Is maith an scéalaí an aimsir.

When the lost ships of Greece finally return home...
David Kir
Hotbirds
#266 - 2013-04-11 23:00:38 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Petrified wrote:
Jureth22 wrote:
Jureth22 wrote:
but why brutix and not myrmidon?


also,why are they just remakes of the old bc`s in a new paint?


Because it is an easier way to add more ships to the game by simply changing their paint job and stats than designing a new frame from the ground up.

For faction navy ships we've never really had a precedent of new hulls though, so why would we expect it this time?


Oh well, we do have navy frigates, which are mostly unique, but otherwise you're right.

Most navy ships are simple improvements over existing ships, thus them bein based on previously existing hulls only makes sense.

Pirate ships, on the other side...

This is the tenth aniversary, why can't we get some properly new ships?

Like, i don't know, Pirate battlecruisers and destroyers?

Who gives a damn if they're unbalanced, just make them cost a s**tton of isk and no one will have reasons to complain.

Officer fitted Machariels have been totally OP for years, yet no one seems particularly concerned about it.

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Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication
#267 - 2013-04-11 23:21:41 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Petrified wrote:
Jureth22 wrote:
Jureth22 wrote:
but why brutix and not myrmidon?


also,why are they just remakes of the old bc`s in a new paint?


Because it is an easier way to add more ships to the game by simply changing their paint job and stats than designing a new frame from the ground up.

For faction navy ships we've never really had a precedent of new hulls though, so why would we expect it this time?


Note: Jureth22 was expecting new hulls, I was pointing out the practical mechanics of adding them. But I think the point of expecting new hulls is having more visual variety beyond simple appearance in the game. Since this game is all about visuals, it is not terribly unreasonable to expect more pretties to fly. The mechanics of visual design takes a lot more work than just balancing a new paint job. Blink

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Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#268 - 2013-04-11 23:37:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Arronicus
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Petrified wrote:
Jureth22 wrote:
Jureth22 wrote:
but why brutix and not myrmidon?


also,why are they just remakes of the old bc`s in a new paint?


Because it is an easier way to add more ships to the game by simply changing their paint job and stats than designing a new frame from the ground up.

For faction navy ships we've never really had a precedent of new hulls though, so why would we expect it this time?



Welcome to Eve. You must be new here. There are only FOUR faction navy frigates, and two of them are 'new hulls'. There aren't new cruiser or BS hulls, but these are very obvious and very well known examples that you shouldn't have overlooked.

Federation NAVY Comet
Republic FLEET firetail.

You're welcome. If you have any more completely newbish questions to ask, we're here for you.
David Kir
Hotbirds
#269 - 2013-04-11 23:42:00 UTC
Arronicus wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Petrified wrote:
Jureth22 wrote:
Jureth22 wrote:
but why brutix and not myrmidon?


also,why are they just remakes of the old bc`s in a new paint?


Because it is an easier way to add more ships to the game by simply changing their paint job and stats than designing a new frame from the ground up.

For faction navy ships we've never really had a precedent of new hulls though, so why would we expect it this time?



Welcome to Eve. You must be new here. There are only FOUR faction navy frigates, and two of them are 'new hulls'. There aren't new cruiser or BS hulls, but these are very obvious and very well known examples that you shouldn't have overlooked.

Federation NAVY Comet
Republic FLEET firetail.

You're welcome. If you have any more completely newbish questions to ask, we're here for you.


Ah.

Wait.

So what's up with the hook, then?

Isn't it unique?

Friends are like cows: if you eat them, they die.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#270 - 2013-04-12 00:21:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyberius Franklin
Arronicus wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Petrified wrote:
Jureth22 wrote:
Jureth22 wrote:
but why brutix and not myrmidon?


also,why are they just remakes of the old bc`s in a new paint?


Because it is an easier way to add more ships to the game by simply changing their paint job and stats than designing a new frame from the ground up.

For faction navy ships we've never really had a precedent of new hulls though, so why would we expect it this time?



Welcome to Eve. You must be new here. There are only FOUR faction navy frigates, and two of them are 'new hulls'. There aren't new cruiser or BS hulls, but these are very obvious and very well known examples that you shouldn't have overlooked.

Federation NAVY Comet
Republic FLEET firetail.

You're welcome. If you have any more completely newbish questions to ask, we're here for you.

Actually all 4 faction frigates are unique if I recall correctly, through that is limited to a single class and comprises 4 of 20 hulls, in which case we do not have a precedent, or recurring trend if you will, of navy faction ships having new hulls.
Powers Sa
#271 - 2013-04-12 00:30:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Powers Sa
"In YC 115, after much heated discussion, CONCORD issued a decree stating the Hurricane-Class Battlecruiser was far too effective to stay under its current technological label, and demanded the Minmatar Republic to either cease production or sort it as a more technologically advanced craft. The Tribal Council grudgingly complied by releasing a simplified version of the Hurricane, then quickly exploited a loophole in the legislation and began using the original overpowered hull as part of its active fleet force. And that is how, after a new paint coat and renaming fees that the Hurricane Fleet Issue came to be."

Listen, I get bans for calling devs lazy ****-heels, but coooooome ooooooooooooooooonnnn. You're baiting me here.

You guys are literally trolling us. Take our old ships away via nerf, bring them back at 3-4x the price and go v0v.

CCP I'll keep paying you money, but pls stop. stop. pls.

They better have sweet paint jobs. I'm serious.

Ytterbium pls.

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#272 - 2013-04-12 00:34:01 UTC
Powers Sa wrote:
They better have sweet paint jobs. I'm serious.

Standard navy paint jobs I'm afraid
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#273 - 2013-04-12 01:11:30 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:

For faction navy ships we've never really had a precedent of new hulls though, so why would we expect it this time?

All the navy frigates and 60% of all pirate frigates?

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Crazy KSK
Tsunami Cartel
#274 - 2013-04-12 01:15:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Crazy KSK
the harbiNI really has no use for a 5th mid it should really get another low

the drakeNI has a great lack of fitting space just I find myself with 2 meds that are only there for show some more powergrid and cpu in exchange for some base hp would be perfect

the brutixNI would be just perfect with another 3% powergrid (that is with skills)

the caneFI just isn't the cane of old, the old cane had more pg then this and like this is just not worth the price
this is the iconic cane fit of old 1300base pg will make it possible

[NEW Hurricane Fleet Issue, 1]
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Warp Disruptor II

Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#275 - 2013-04-12 01:33:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyberius Franklin
Commander Ted wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:

For faction navy ships we've never really had a precedent of new hulls though, so why would we expect it this time?

All the navy frigates and 60% of all pirate frigates?

Repeating:
"Actually all 4 faction frigates are unique if I recall correctly, through that is limited to a single class and comprises 4 of 20 hulls, in which case we do not have a precedent, or recurring trend if you will, of navy faction ships having new hulls."

Pirates being factions outside of T1 lines don't really have any similar compulsion to follow T1 counterparts.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#276 - 2013-04-12 01:53:29 UTC
Make the loleos vertical and shiny and not camo, and keep the navy brutix.

I say that as a drone oriented pilot, please do not heed those wanting a navy myrmidon. The faction myrmidon if it ever exists, should be a product of Serpentis Corporation, there are ample serpentis gunboats, and there are ample navy droneboats.
Spr09
Reign of Steel
Brave Collective
#277 - 2013-04-12 01:59:12 UTC
Hurricane FI needs a buff, maybe 7.5% damage bonus per level so that it can compete with regular canes with the price difference?
Askulf Joringer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#278 - 2013-04-12 02:14:31 UTC
Meditril wrote:
Nice one, I love it!
Now you just need to make Large plexes appear more often in FW so that we can also use these ships!


This, this, and this...
OldWolf69
EVE-RO
Goonswarm Federation
#279 - 2013-04-12 04:38:26 UTC
Askulf Joringer wrote:
Meditril wrote:
Nice one, I love it!
Now you just need to make Large plexes appear more often in FW so that we can also use these ships!


This, this, and this...

This would quite anulate the money spending they plan to get us into, i'm afraid. So i doubt this will happen.
Drake Doe
88Th Tax Haven
#280 - 2013-04-12 05:50:25 UTC
Tauranon wrote:
Make the loleos vertical and shiny and not camo, and keep the navy brutix.

I say that as a drone oriented pilot, please do not heed those wanting a navy myrmidon. The faction myrmidon if it ever exists, should be a product of Serpentis Corporation, there are ample serpentis gunboats, and there are ample navy droneboats.

Serpentis are drone users, if anything the drone pirate bc would look like the Drake Shocked

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