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why only gallente get tier1 navy BC

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Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2013-04-11 15:58:50 UTC
huh there is no tiering in bc-s anymore , what are u talking about:D
Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#22 - 2013-04-11 16:05:36 UTC
Why no Navy-Myrm?


Well, probably because it wouldn't be any better than a Navy Vexor unless they give it some serious heavy special abilities that make it a drone boat like there is no other, or they abandon everything the Myrmidon Hull is known for. Which would be fun actually. Covert Ops Smartbomb Bonused ship with infinipoint!
Marsan
#23 - 2013-04-11 16:22:38 UTC
I think the OP is just upset the Brutix doesn't fit their play style....

Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community.

Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-04-11 17:05:28 UTC
well i can see the problem. The navy brutix is just a normal brutix with some beefed up attributes whereas all the other navy bcs get something a littler different (except cane which i also disagree with, just lazy design tbh)
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
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#25 - 2013-04-11 17:36:11 UTC
What are these "Ship Tiers" you speaketh of?

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone

Askulf Joringer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2013-04-11 17:54:55 UTC
I really don't see the problem here... People bitched about the active tank bonus on the normal brutix, so ccp releases a navy brutix with another low, 50% more hp, and a tracking bonus. Like wtf, I hate like 90% of this community
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-04-11 20:23:58 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
well i can see the problem. The navy brutix is just a normal brutix with some beefed up attributes whereas all the other navy bcs get something a littler different (except cane which i also disagree with, just lazy design tbh)


The playstyle of a masochist? That navy brutix is the same speed as navy drake and navy harby. Coupled with the TE nerf coming up at the same time, good luck with these medium blasters. Or... you can use medium rails.Lol

So, who wants to pay big isk to fly this thing instead of of the talos?
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#28 - 2013-04-11 20:31:19 UTC
Askulf Joringer wrote:
I really don't see the problem here... People bitched about the active tank bonus on the normal brutix, so ccp releases a navy brutix with another low, 50% more hp, and a tracking bonus. Like wtf, I hate like 90% of this community


The problem is the price. Trading tank for tracking makes it the perfect glass cannon with neutron IIs and a token shield buffer, but that's the kind of thing you do with a cheap T1 BC not a faction BC. So it would have been great if the Brutix had the tracking bonus and the Navy Brutix got a tank bonus and +1 low, but as it is a faction Myrmidon would probably be better since its design concept would be more likely to survive long enough for an expensive faction ship.

sabre906 wrote:
That navy brutix is the same speed as navy drake and navy harby.


No it isn't. Remember that MWD speed (which is what counts) and agility depend on the ship's mass, and the Navy Brutix is lighter than the other faction BCs. It also has significantly better agility, so in a "burn the last 5km to get into web/scram range" situation the Navy Brutix will be much faster to turn and accelerate to catch a target.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2013-04-11 20:39:47 UTC
Merin Ryskin wrote:
Askulf Joringer wrote:
I really don't see the problem here... People bitched about the active tank bonus on the normal brutix, so ccp releases a navy brutix with another low, 50% more hp, and a tracking bonus. Like wtf, I hate like 90% of this community


The problem is the price. Trading tank for tracking makes it the perfect glass cannon with neutron IIs and a token shield buffer, but that's the kind of thing you do with a cheap T1 BC not a faction BC. So it would have been great if the Brutix had the tracking bonus and the Navy Brutix got a tank bonus and +1 low, but as it is a faction Myrmidon would probably be better since its design concept would be more likely to survive long enough for an expensive faction ship.

sabre906 wrote:
That navy brutix is the same speed as navy drake and navy harby.


No it isn't. Remember that MWD speed (which is what counts) and agility depend on the ship's mass, and the Navy Brutix is lighter than the other faction BCs. It also has significantly better agility, so in a "burn the last 5km to get into web/scram range" situation the Navy Brutix will be much faster to turn and accelerate to catch a target.


Speed is speed, acceleration is not speed, and frankly the small difference in acceleration isn't going to let you catch up to medium blaster range. So why would you pay big isk to fly this thing instead of the talos again?Roll
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#30 - 2013-04-11 20:46:28 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
Speed is speed, acceleration is not speed


Over short distances, yes it is. If my top speed is higher (remember the mass difference) AND I accelerate to top speed faster AND I turn and align faster then in a short race to web/scram range I'm going to win. The Brutix isn't designed to kite all day, it's designed to sprint into point blank range and gank you.

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and frankly the small difference in acceleration isn't going to let you catch up to medium blaster range.


Depends on how far out of range you are when you warp in.

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So why would you pay big isk to fly this thing instead of the talos again?Roll


Because medium gun tracking makes a difference, and because the Talos is going to get nerfed.

Besides, I already said that price is the problem here and that this set of bonuses would be much better on the standard Brutix (with the faction one getting the rep bonus), but whether or not a ship is expensive has nothing to do with how fast it is.
Inkarr Hashur
Skyline Federation
#31 - 2013-04-11 22:14:00 UTC
Who else wants a Navy Oracle? Or a Navy Prophecy? I'd like those a lot better than a Navy Harby. We can't all have what we want though.
Hakaimono
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2013-04-11 22:22:01 UTC
Navy glass cannons? With what, more glass?
Prophecy rocks enough, so the Harby would seem like the right choice to have a navy version.
Also, keep asking for a Navy Myrm and CCP might raise the bandwidth requirement for sentries.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#33 - 2013-04-11 22:23:54 UTC
Time to build up my stores of FW LP.
Mire Stoude
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2013-04-12 00:01:29 UTC
Brutix being the Gallente choice does seem a little odd considering all the others were the old teir 2s. Theory crafting inside me wonders if they plan to change the Eos model to the Myrm (which makes sense considering the bonuses).
Willryker
Brave Empire Inc.
Brave United
#35 - 2013-04-12 01:11:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Willryker
Wyte Ragnarok wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
still want navy myrm


Dat. Navy Myrm. Would be interesting.


it would b nice if i could have 5 ogers but its not needed so much all i want rilly is my 6 guns back and a bit of a dammage bounuson them if im stuck with 4 ogers or even back to 5 hams i dont mined cus hams r epic enyway
but play fair u navyed the drake to 8 lunchers which i like alot but a brute is still not in the same league as a drake cus of the lack of tank if its guna actually do any damage.
Bigg Gun
T.I.E. Inc.
#36 - 2013-04-13 23:04:23 UTC
If there are no tiers how come it costs more to build a talos over a brutix, or a myrmidon?
They tell you there's no tiers, I can tell you there's 1000 angels dancing on the tip of a pin, that doesn't necessarily make it true.

Also that would make the 4th(player) ship to use the Brutix model. While myrmidon is all by itself. They don't care about what roles the regular ship has. Hell I'd still have preferred navy myrmidon in a gunship version over yet another brutix model ship.

Remember Myrmidon is
V
E
R
T
I
C
A
L
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2013-04-13 23:23:26 UTC
Bigg Gun wrote:
If there are no tiers how come it costs more to build a talos over a brutix, or a myrmidon?
They tell you there's no tiers, I can tell you there's 1000 angels dancing on the tip of a pin, that doesn't necessarily make it true.

Also that would make the 4th(player) ship to use the Brutix model. While myrmidon is all by itself. They don't care about what roles the regular ship has. Hell I'd still have preferred navy myrmidon in a gunship version over yet another brutix model ship.

Remember Myrmidon is
V
E
R
T
I
C
A
L


Next time CCP will make sure to nerf it so it's no longer vertical.Lol
Veronica Kerrigan
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2013-04-14 01:59:10 UTC
Syrias Bizniz wrote:
Why no Navy-Myrm?


Well, probably because it wouldn't be any better than a Navy Vexor unless they give it some serious heavy special abilities that make it a drone boat like there is no other, or they abandon everything the Myrmidon Hull is known for. Which would be fun actually. Covert Ops Smartbomb Bonused ship with infinipoint!

On the contrary, I feel like the navy myrmidon would totally eclipse the navy vexor. They would both be able to field a set of 5 heavy drones, but the myrm would have more gun dps, more tank, and more versatility.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2013-04-14 02:14:53 UTC
Veronica Kerrigan wrote:
Syrias Bizniz wrote:
Why no Navy-Myrm?


Well, probably because it wouldn't be any better than a Navy Vexor unless they give it some serious heavy special abilities that make it a drone boat like there is no other, or they abandon everything the Myrmidon Hull is known for. Which would be fun actually. Covert Ops Smartbomb Bonused ship with infinipoint!

On the contrary, I feel like the navy myrmidon would totally eclipse the navy vexor. They would both be able to field a set of 5 heavy drones, but the myrm would have more gun dps, more tank, and more versatility.


but i want 5 sentries for pve :(
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