Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Odyssey is changing the Hookbill to decrease it's overall top speed and agility, which will have some effect on the problem with them. Condors however will probably remain just as fast. It's an issue that needs to be dealt with most definitely, but for now the only real counter is to have your own off-grid boosts.

Now if only there were ships with long range webs and scrams and ganglinks to boost them.

BTW arty cane or muninn can be used quite effectively against these ships with a bit of practise.

Probably worth noting that OGB has it's days numbered.

[the other thing to consider with these like a lot of the arguments that were around before the big speed nerf was, in the case of these ships it's all very well being able to go 9km/s but they pose very little threat to anyone.

It's not like when we had invulnerable HACs. for these ships to do anything significant they need to be moving into ranges that will make them vulnerable. especially when you consider a lachesis scram or huginn web will easy reach out beyond their effective ranges.

on top of all of this the amount of risk and investment to put snakes on a ship like this deserves a degree of reward.

edit: and don't forget the new geddon which will pretty much be shutting down anything within 45km post expansion.

cormorant

doesnt seem like that long ago when the "need for speed" patch came out killing the 11k m/s machariel bumping carriers and rorquals off stations and then tackling them...

an 8k frig is way to structurally unsafe.

how about this. a ship should only be able to go a certain % over their base speed before it becomes unsafe and its integrity degraded. itll start taking hull damage (like over heating) which can be repaired at stations or with a hull repper.
a dramiel hits 4500. np. over heat and the stress will begin to take its toll. now, OGB for another 30% or so. then everything else and he is taking damage quickly.
he can still fly it, but he will fly it apart in no time.

great to get away, but not viable for pvp or anything else.


that would make one choose between a really nice gisti mwd and some nano's or a lesser mwd with boosters/implants and other means. start combining them, and the ship will loose 10% of its hull every 2-3 seconds or something.

whatcha think?

the only ridiculous speed boost is the MWD overheat bonus. That one must be tuned down a LOT. Its much larger than a snake set bonus!

Navigation Skill %25 base speed
Snakes %25 base speed

Acceleration Control %25 MWD speed
Zor %5 MWD speed
Boost %35.14 MWD speed
Overheat %50 MWD speed

One solution is:

First make snake bonuses MWD speed bonuses
then make ALL mwd speed bonuses stacking penalized (as they should be. Diminishing returns CCP!!!)

Right now a typical dual damp condor with 1 nano 1 aux rig goes
3989 m/s normally 5692 m/s overheated

Same condor with implants + boosts goes
6756 m/s normally 9772 m/s overloaded
Note that at this point it is uncatchable by regular light missiles or drones.

Same condor with proposed stacking penalty.
5751 m/s normally 7122 m/s overloaded
Still nigh uncatchable, but now manageable

With Tier 3 BC there is a perfect weapon available to counter blobs in small gang/solo scenarios. And they will even get more useful if they don't need to fear boosted interceptors crossing 100km within 10 seconds. So I would even say that my requested speed booster nerv will have positive impact on counter blob warefare.

i couldnt tell you how fast. all we saw was a streak. we couldnt even target them.. =)

but, yeah, they were freakin fast. IIRC, mach's could pos bowl. i think they were the only sub cap ship who could.
but i wasnt around them much.

couldnt they pos bowl?

Was curious and plugged it into PyFA. With 1 Drone Nav warrior 2's are going 8.1km/s, with 2 they're going 10.3km/s. Bit of a specialized fit for a counter, but it's doable.