Market Discussions

hell yeah

ice, the new tech.

oh wait, he said he wanted people to fight over it. never mind.

Ice is so AFKable because the asteroids do not deplete. Even so little a change as making them deplete would make for a large change in the price. And, with Odyssey promising to shake up resources, it's a good bet that something happens.

Already inflated on account of the navy cruiser buffs, so they'd be a risky buy.

Well it hasnt stopped someone doubling their price in Amarr already.

It is a risky buy though, I assume you can still just get the blueprint and build them yourself without the Nexus Chip, so there will be alternative supply.

A few thoughts..

There is a lot of positive to say about the game aspect of patch and expansion speculation, but is it not growing a bit out of proportions?

I am starting to wonder how much eve forum speculation threads are potentially making insider like trading possible.
Now before I get flamed for saying this.. bots, automations, afk etc are all getting discussed frequently and with a lot of passion from those that feel they suffer from its balance issues..

How come there have been so little attention paid to the potential of creative use of insider knowledge, based on the way information is released?

The recent PAX slides was what made me question this a bit more then I used to. I think most of how things have been released works pretty fine all things considered, but this one was kinda different.

Releasing any type of information about upcoming game changes must be available to all of EVE, or it trends towards insider information sharing. Sure EVE players spread the information pretty fast, but is there not a need for some procedural "rules" when disclosing these things?

I think it would be nice to get CSM to actively get a statement and discussion on this, because already there is no way to really control the so called non written parts of information, neither source nor flow..

I am mainly bringing this up because speculation aspects seems to become a bigger and bigger part of patch/expansion economy.. It would be interesting to have access to or information about the hitory of how these positionings have grown?

I feel the same way. There are many different sources from where one can get info about upcoming patches, and some of these may indeed be classified as insider trading, as everyone does not have equal opportunity for access.

Think all patch information could be limited to dev blogs. This is probably unrealistic, as there is sisi, F&I, tweets, fanfest, interviews and so on. On one hand I am all for increased communication, but like everything in life this is a double edged sword.

As an aside: what checks and balances are there on CSM to ensure that they do not use their insider knowledge for financial gains? What prevents them for giving a friend a tip, or from using an alt to speculate?

Coming from a person who thinks that NPC services are evil and should be replaced entirely by player provided services (because the game should not hold our hand on those sorts of things), "I think CCP should hold our hands with regards to market speculation" is an odd standpoint.

Besides, "spelling out the trends in devblogs" or whatever is no more "fair" than tidbits being dropped at PAX or commented on in video devblogs (yeah, they talked about ice a lot there too.) It just benefits those who happen to be online at the time of the blog posting, instead of those willing to put in the effort to seek out kernels of information and then (despite the risk them being unconfirmed and potentially misleading) invest based on them.


With respect to alts, at least, do you really think that CCP can't figure out your alts on a whim? I'll grant that I did not go to great lengths (read: no measures taken) to hide them, but they certainly knew about all of my accounts during their investigation into the FW thing.

I'm not really sure about the "tip to a friend" thing though. But if I had to guess, they'd probably keep an eye out for large purchases of relevant items and if they do notice one, investigate from there.

Honestly given all the information in interviews, and devblogs I'm just plain confused on what to invest in. Sure Battle Ships seem like a sure bet like BCs, frigates, and barges were in prior patches. Until you realize that most of the cost of a BS is minerals which didn't change greatly in most of the prior patches, but with a NS industry rebalance mineral prices could drop a lot. (Mainly if the devs actually provide enough trit and the like in NS for it's needs.) Likewise in the T2 market there is too much unknown about the changes to moon goo. In the tech3 market it appears nothing has changed until you take POS changes, and possible ice changes into account. If anything I may decide to make purchases based on the assumption that I'll sell off in the weeks before the patch lands. It might be easier to predict the herd direction than the effects of the next major patch.

This is one of those things where its really hard to reach a simple final conclusion..

I am a HUGE fan of the metagame in all its amazing glory, especially the way its progressed into what it is now..

That said I do see it as a bit of a problem if EVE trends toward demanding these things without being good enough at supporting the needed tools.

This is a bit akin to another passion of mine ARGs, where many expect extensive knowledge and access to tools to solve cryptos and narrative mysteries. In those it makes sort of sense that you need outside tools and out of context thinking, but in EVE ccp needs to make sure that the 3rd party involvement is not vital.. Espcially because stability is an issue..

Now Mynnna and many in the MD history have been good to share tools and information and engage in disccussion about the speculative aspect of EVE. Its just a bit iffy to me and would be nice to see ccp taking even more steps towards acknowledging how much EVE is not just inside the client. Again huge steps have already been taken in this aspect, but alas as always MD and markets gets attention last. I guess we are the ugly pup in the litter.