Warfare & Tactics

If only the other 15,000 players in factional warfare stopped caring so much about those backwater systems... It's like there's 250 people logged into each militia at all times of the day, and they are all spread out over each system fighting non-stop. It's so much fun to run the plexes in these backwater systems that "Gallente Militia Plexing Command" channel is bursting with players.

What are these people thinking??!!! They should listen to these four forum warriors who are completely out of touch with FW reality. Stop having fun plexing these back water systems!!!!

Yay! The pvp in fw is mainly players who never leave their blobs and boosters in their base systems! How dare anyone expect more pvp opportunities than that?

^^

The real issue is that the warzone is far too big.

But if they made so small that only pvpers effected sov - FW would be destroyed by large alliance coming to the 'pvp arena systems' which is what fw space would become.

I wouldn't mind the Cal/Gal wz being shrunk to the same amount of systems as the Amarr/Minnie warzone.

Warzone does not need to be shrunken at all. Warzone just needs more brave newbies who want to claim ownership of their own system.

You need organizations on both sides who have the balls to live in their own system without piggy backing off the work of others. As it stands now, all Caldari lowsec corps move into Enaluri. And I believe Ronin live in OMS? Gallente do a little better by occupying Nisuwa, Essesier, Vlillirier, Eugales, and Nenn.

Whatever happened to the pride of system ownership and carving out your own identity for your corp?

I remember my first FW corp that I joined - Screaming War Eagles. A corp full of newbs and eager PVPers. We initially lived in Heyd but it was too quiet and we wanted more action. We realized alot of the stronger corps lived in Nenn. However, my CEO and I didn't want to piggy back off the work of the established organizations like GMVA and QCATS. We wanted our own identity.

So I did some extra researching and learned about a system that was a couple jumps away, was still close to the warzone, and had the right amenities for us to call home. We were the only militia corp to settle down in that system. Two jumps away was an established Caldari militia alliance who gave us plenty of fights and had more experienced fighters than my small corp of 20 did. And in our home system, was a small nuisance of a pirate alliance, Exodus, who pestered us every night in the plexes causing a triple threat match between them, us, and Caldari State Capturing. I still recall some crazy battle royals that all three corps had.

We took our beatings, learned from it and almost lost our system to the enemy on one occasion. Though, this was just before Inferno hit so station lockout was not a reality. However, we had too much pride and didn't want to lose the system even if there were no real consequences.

Months passed, our pilots became better, our corp developed a name for itself, and a local market started to develop because of my seeding the system with mods and ammo. My initial FW corp eventually became inactive and we all moved on.

And while that corp is no longer around, the remnants of what we built in those early days are still here today but stronger. The system has most ammo, ships, and mods stocked in multiple stations. It is the crossroads for all lowsec traffic coming from Blackrise, Nullsec Syndicate, and Placid. Solo pvpers and gangs would stop by and loiter hoping to get a fight out of the current residents of this system. Several Gallente militia corps base out of this system now. Because the system sees alot of traffic, it has become a key factor in intelligence as well.

That system is called Vlillirier. And it was built because some newbie corp wanted to carve out its own identity rather than piggyback off of someone elses. No need to shrink the warzone. Just expand your vision.


Deen Wispa,
Architect of Modern day Vlillirier.

This!

If fw sov were something to be proud of then people would fight for it. Tiers, lockouts, idustrial slots etc does not make winning the sov war something to be proud of. It's only if you think the game is worth playing that people care about winning it. Otherwise it is all farming.

+1 for warzone shrinking.
Main problem is: CCP really (NO JOKE!!!) thinks it is all okay with fw.
So how to proceed?

Proposal: Every fw CEO gets his people to bomb CCP with "shrink the wz" petitions down?!

Cearain - you should join FW - find a base and practice what you preach.
After spending every online minute undoing the farmers work you might see why it's a waste of time (unless you like dplexing).

I've been there and done it for long enough to know it's not a fun way to play eve.
It is ok while the farm isn't your backyard - but eventually the farmers work out when you are not online and strike.

Why do you think I gave up Hykanima and moved the entire Alliance to Enaluri?

I do practice what I preach.

I preach that under the current mechanics the sov war is an extremely boring pve mechanic. And that we do not have the tools to adequately deal with the rabbits. So I, and the vast majority of fw players, don't care about sov in over 90% of the systems. I preach that people should only have alts in fw and if they want pvp to stay outside of it. So thats what I do. (But I was in fw for a few years and was in it under the current mechanics so I know what its like to be in fw)

I preach that I like the quality pvp that plexes provide and just wish it was a bit more frequent. So 99% of my pvp is in and around plexes. I left the militias so that I am not blue to 40% of the people in plexes.

I preach that I am not a fan of the sort of blob warfare or having my ship blown up by a boosted condor that can point me past 30k. So I tend to pvp outside of the "home systems."

We actually both agree that the sov war under these mechanics is a horriblly boring game not worth caring about. I think it can be fixed.

I would bet that if ccp implemented a decent notification system and timer rollbacks that after about 6 months the typical top daily vp gainers would have several kills for the day. It would be a much more pvp centered game than we have now.

I'm still not going to do 6 jumps to chase a stabbed plexer out of his plex in backwater placid, even if I get a nice mail telling me exactly where he is and even if his timer resets when I chase him out.

If you want people to defend systems that aren't their home system or directly linked to the safety of their home system there will need to be incentive to holding sovereignty AND to not all be in the same system. We can hope to get something when they overhaul nullsec, but likely we won't for years to come.

But if there is a notification system, then it's a pvp mechanic. Therefore, you will sit in the plex after you chase the rabbit out. Really. You will. And there will be many more players just like you who will do it as well. Trust me on this.