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CSM 8 - Roc the Vote

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Frying Doom
#81 - 2013-04-08 23:16:39 UTC
Roc Wieler wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:



And because Roc has been a good sport I will add him to the signature.


I better be able to laugh at myself because if I don't, someone else will.

Thanks for adding me to your slate. Much appreciated.

Well it is only fair, you showed you have abilities the CSM does need, communication and the ability to withstand a troll attack.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#82 - 2013-04-09 04:55:12 UTC
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Came to this thread when I heard about bribes

wassup?


Bribes are a no go, mission abort.

Signature removed for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne

Roc Wieler
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#83 - 2013-04-09 16:01:03 UTC
rodyas wrote:
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Came to this thread when I heard about bribes

wassup?


Bribes are a no go, mission abort.


I actually had a player tell me I didn't need to say a word about my campaign - just pay them and they would give me their multiple votes.

I declined, and they moved on.

I'm ok with that.

Never start a fight you can win.

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#84 - 2013-04-09 16:30:37 UTC
Roc Wieler wrote:
rodyas wrote:
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Came to this thread when I heard about bribes

wassup?


Bribes are a no go, mission abort.


I actually had a player tell me I didn't need to say a word about my campaign - just pay them and they would give me their multiple votes.

I declined, and they moved on.

I'm ok with that.


Ive been paying for votes right and left. Politics is dirty man, you can't stay pure.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#85 - 2013-04-09 17:50:24 UTC
Buying votes is wrong, yes. You have no way to verify they voted for you, or if they vote first, they have no way to be sure they get paid.


Now, stuffing the ballot box by creating a whole bunch of alts in advance, that's the way to do it. Expensive, but you're sure you get your money's worth. Twisted

Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal

Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#86 - 2013-04-09 18:59:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Che Biko
mynnna wrote:
Now, stuffing the ballot box by creating a whole bunch of alts in advance, that's the way to do it. Expensive, but you're sure you get your money's worth. Twisted
And there you have it, folks, the ultimate proof that EVE is hypercapitalistic: the democracy is quite plutocratic.Lol

Back on topic, I have some questions for Roc:

  • Do you think that increasing the number of devs working partime in Team Avatar above 5 (are there even still 5?) will threaten the continued development of spaceships?
  • While all parts of the game should be considered and get attention, don't you think that some areas have been left gathering a bit more dust than others, and should therefor get above average attention just to catch up with the other areas?
  • Can you explain how offering manufacturing/invention resources as mission rewards will be benificial to a player run economy, and how it will decrease the bypassing of industrial players?
  • Does buying plex for ISK = Pay2Win?
  • I'm considering Malcanis and Mike Azariah for positions 2 and 3 on my ballot. Any comment?
Roc Wieler
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#87 - 2013-04-09 20:41:46 UTC
mynnna wrote:
Buying votes is wrong, yes. You have no way to verify they voted for you, or if they vote first, they have no way to be sure they get paid.


Now, stuffing the ballot box by creating a whole bunch of alts in advance, that's the way to do it. Expensive, but you're sure you get your money's worth. Twisted


Now THAT I actually considered before realizing I'm a poor Brutor. War doesn't pay well unless you're the one making the ammunition.

Never start a fight you can win.

Roc Wieler
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#88 - 2013-04-09 20:42:50 UTC
Malcanis wrote:


Ive been paying for votes right and left. Politics is dirty man, you can't stay pure.


Perhaps you cannot stay pure, my friend. I will stand tall with integrity, even if it's only to congratulate dirty bastards like you that made it onto the CSM. Smile

Never start a fight you can win.

Roc Wieler
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#89 - 2013-04-09 20:50:49 UTC
Che Biko wrote:

Back on topic, I have some questions for Roc:

  • Do you think that increasing the number of devs working partime in Team Avatar above 5 (are there even still 5?) will threaten the continued development of spaceships?
  • While all parts of the game should be considered and get attention, don't you think that some areas have been left gathering a bit more dust than others, and should therefor get above average attention just to catch up with the other areas?
  • Can you explain how offering manufacturing/invention resources as mission rewards will be benificial to a player run economy, and how it will decrease the bypassing of industrial players?
  • Does buying plex for ISK = Pay2Win?
  • I'm considering Malcanis and Mike Azariah for positions 2 and 3 on my ballot. Any comment?


- I think players become concerned when development focus is shifted to anything they may not agree with as a priority. In my opinion, focus should be shifted where warranted but never at the expense of the whole progressing.

- Yes. There are areas I would personally like to see addressed like piracy in lowsec, roleplay and lore, live events, PvE content, mission rewards and a few others. However, as CSM, I am also fully capable of putting my own desires to the side in order to represent the interests of players ahead of my own.

- On the whole, a player run economy should be just that. I would prefer to see these "industrial" rewards as opposed to rare/ultra rare finished products as rewards because at least with these types of rewards there is a need for some industrial skill to make full use of them.

- PLEX is an interesting subject. PLEX means people can play to pay to play. But it also means someone could just buy then sell a bunch of PLEX, buy a battleship, and forego having to earn it like the rest of us, which could be considered pay to win. Having said that, they have the same risk of losing said battleship just as easily as we do, except they would be out real world money which will surely generate more tears. If PLEX allowed golden ships/weapon, it would be bad.

- I think Malcanis and Mike Azariah are both excellent candidates and are on my recommended voting slate.

Never start a fight you can win.

None ofthe Above
#90 - 2013-04-09 21:22:22 UTC
Che Biko wrote:
mynnna wrote:
Now, stuffing the ballot box by creating a whole bunch of alts in advance, that's the way to do it. Expensive, but you're sure you get your money's worth. Twisted
And there you have it, folks, the ultimate proof that EVE is hypercapitalistic: the democracy is quite plutocratic.Lol

Back on topic, I have some questions for Roc:

  • Do you think that increasing the number of devs working partime in Team Avatar above 5 (are there even still 5?) will threaten the continued development of spaceships?
  • While all parts of the game should be considered and get attention, don't you think that some areas have been left gathering a bit more dust than others, and should therefor get above average attention just to catch up with the other areas?
  • Can you explain how offering manufacturing/invention resources as mission rewards will be benificial to a player run economy, and how it will decrease the bypassing of industrial players?
  • Does buying plex for ISK = Pay2Win?
  • I'm considering Malcanis and Mike Azariah for positions 2 and 3 on my ballot. Any comment?


Oh dear you do think Team Avatar still exists, CCP quietly killed it last fall.

This blog has some of the details, as well as some links to some of the closest things to an announcement that CCP gave:

http://uglebsjournal.wordpress.com/2012/10/09/team-avatar-has-tinkered/

At this point that team would have to be restarted.

There is hope that the carbon work in WOD may pay off eventually, justifying bang for buck on expanding the avatar gameplay.

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.

Tri Vetra
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#91 - 2013-04-09 22:17:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Tri Vetra
I don't want to sound like an ~elite pvp~ jerk, but according to public killboards, you don't really have any pvp experience to speak of. Battleclinic (lmao) says you have 41 lifetime kills, while Eve-kill doesn't even know you exist.

Do you have pvp alts or something? I mean, what do you even do in this game?

edit:

On a second thought, who cares if you pvp or not, pvp in eve is hopeless and terrible. Do you play any actually good games, like world of tanks? Whats your favourite tank? Whats your efficiency rating?
None ofthe Above
#92 - 2013-04-09 22:20:26 UTC
Tri Vetra wrote:
I don't want to sound like an ~elite pvp~ jerk, but according to public killboards, you don't really have any pvp experience to speak of. Battleclinic (lmao) says you have 41 lifetime kills, while Eve-kill doesn't even know you exist.

Do you have pvp alts or something? I mean, what do you even do in this game?


I think he does avatar spinning during his workouts.

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.

Roc Wieler
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#93 - 2013-04-10 09:42:55 UTC
None ofthe Above wrote:
Tri Vetra wrote:
I don't want to sound like an ~elite pvp~ jerk, but according to public killboards, you don't really have any pvp experience to speak of. Battleclinic (lmao) says you have 41 lifetime kills, while Eve-kill doesn't even know you exist.

Do you have pvp alts or something? I mean, what do you even do in this game?


I think he does avatar spinning during his workouts.


Roc tends to get primaried a lot, so yes, this particular character doesn't do much in the way of PvP.

Never start a fight you can win.

Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#94 - 2013-04-11 00:40:29 UTC
None ofthe Above wrote:
Che Biko wrote:
Do you think that increasing the number of devs working partime in Team Avatar above 5 (are there even still 5?) will threaten the continued development of spaceships?
Oh dear you do think Team Avatar still exists, CCP quietly killed it last fall.
Excuse the off-topic, but I have to correct you there. I don't think anything concerning the status of team avatar, and I was indeed fearing/suspecting the scenario you described. I asumed the 'are there still 5?' hinted towards that, but I'll do better next time.
Either way, if this is true, it only makes the standpoint of some candidates to have less than current Incarna development a bit silly.
Zverofaust
Ascetic Virtues
#95 - 2013-04-11 01:05:21 UTC
I find your platform as written incredibly naive, ignorant of the reality of basic human interaction in a closed community, and intellectually dishonest.

Yours claims to be a "voice of ALL people" are simply obtuse. You have not forwarded any real ideas or opinions on any key issues, instead relying on the fallacious "my platform is my dedication to the players". You sound like the Ron Paul of the CSM; no actual opinion other than the belief that the institution to which you are being elected should be castrated of all real power.

Unfortunately, politics -- or representation of a player group comprised of several hundred thousand individuals, is not that black or white. That you think you can run on a platform of "voice of the people" and even eschew forming your own opinions and beliefs is testament to how little you appear to understand the point of the CSM outside of free trips to Iceland. If the CSM was supposed to be representative of the net playerbase, why is it designed to have more than a single member? By the very definition of their own rules and it's own name, the CSM is designed to be a COUNCIL made up of players who hold aloft a spectrum of all that is Eve.

I can't help but feel that your entire candidacy is little more than a shallow, poorly thought-out troll.
Feyona
Doomheim
#96 - 2013-04-11 05:55:08 UTC
Zverofaust wrote:
I find your platform as written incredibly naive, ignorant of the reality of basic human interaction in a closed community, and intellectually dishonest.

Yours claims to be a "voice of ALL people" are simply obtuse. You have not forwarded any real ideas or opinions on any key issues, instead relying on the fallacious "my platform is my dedication to the players". You sound like the Ron Paul of the CSM; no actual opinion other than the belief that the institution to which you are being elected should be castrated of all real power.

Unfortunately, politics -- or representation of a player group comprised of several hundred thousand individuals, is not that black or white. That you think you can run on a platform of "voice of the people" and even eschew forming your own opinions and beliefs is testament to how little you appear to understand the point of the CSM outside of free trips to Iceland. If the CSM was supposed to be representative of the net playerbase, why is it designed to have more than a single member? By the very definition of their own rules and it's own name, the CSM is designed to be a COUNCIL made up of players who hold aloft a spectrum of all that is Eve.

I can't help but feel that your entire candidacy is little more than a shallow, poorly thought-out troll.


Hi
Roc Wieler
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#97 - 2013-04-11 13:04:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Roc Wieler
Zverofaust wrote:


I can't help but feel that your entire candidacy is little more than a shallow, poorly thought-out troll.


Thank you for sharing your opinion. It actually gives me an opportunity to demonstrate my campaign platform practically.

You have an idea. That idea is that I suck. I am listening to that idea. Other players will be asked their opinion and knowledge of that idea. I have my own thoughts on your idea of course, but were I simply to listen to myself, your idea wouldn't get very far and that's not actually fair to you.

I will add my own knowledge and experience to your idea, plus the input from the other players that may have different/better perspectives to your idea. If there is enough forward discussion on the idea, I will bring it to the CSM. We would discuss your idea, offering our combined experiences and insights to the idea.

If we decide the idea is sound and something worth bringing to CCP, we will.

To reiterate, none of that would've happened if I simply stood on my own opinion of your idea and you would've been denied an opportunity every player deserves.

So no, I'm not naive. And yes, I have my opinions, but as a member of the CSM, my role would be to SERVE the people, not DICTATE to them, and if you look at any political body that is really what their job description says though it is rarely what is delivered.

I will deliver.

Never start a fight you can win.

Roc Wieler
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#98 - 2013-04-11 13:06:22 UTC
Feyona wrote:


Hi


Hello, darlin.

Never start a fight you can win.

Aineko Macx
#99 - 2013-04-11 19:35:19 UTC
Zverofaust wrote:
I find your platform as written incredibly naive, ignorant of the reality of basic human interaction in a closed community, and intellectually dishonest.

Interesting, I had exactly the opposite impression after listening to Rocs interview. He's approaching the CSM or it's processes from an angle quite different from all other candidates, a meta-perspective. Yes, his input to specific issues has been limited, but then again the CSM are not supposed to be game designers...
Roc Wieler
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#100 - 2013-04-12 11:09:28 UTC
Aineko Macx wrote:
Zverofaust wrote:
I find your platform as written incredibly naive, ignorant of the reality of basic human interaction in a closed community, and intellectually dishonest.

Interesting, I had exactly the opposite impression after listening to Rocs interview. He's approaching the CSM or it's processes from an angle quite different from all other candidates, a meta-perspective. Yes, his input to specific issues has been limited, but then again the CSM are not supposed to be game designers...


Thank you for getting it!

Never start a fight you can win.