Missions & Complexes

Lots of posts on this.
NM will blap just about everything in a mission before they have time to TD you.
I find pure missile ships lack the ability to pop small stuff on the way in so for me a Rattlesnake is the way to go. I have tried all the choices and find the Golem too slow, CNR is OK, found it better than the golem if solo, but not being able to insta frigs and cruiser when they approach is a pain. Tengu is good for blitzing but is slow for missions that are BS heavy.
Sentries don't get perma shot at and can be RR's from the RS, so they perfectly viable.

I'm so tired about people whining because 2-3 missions have TD

Blockade and vengeance are the only missions where TD hurts you enough to be a pain in the ass.

Stacking penalty. Ppl already run with 3 TE/TCs anyway.



No. Firstly, NM can't blap the elite cruisers that TD. 2nd, These TDing elite cruisers spawn in groups of 3 in blockade, for 3-6 every wave, hit one (which won't die) and the rest will reduce your Tach range to 5 km and tracking to nil. Slowboat your NM over next to the rat, and you can't track cruisers with TDed Tachs anyway. NM does far worse than Mach, not better.

Until TD affects missiles next expansion, use CNR or Golem. Post nerf, Tengu nonkinetic dps is down to 500.

I have only flown the CNR, so...

To make it work properly, you need to train up missile skills, plus the CNR has to be properly fitted. If you do that, Cruise Missiles will kill everything from Battleship to Spider Drone. That be said, your skills need to be on the higher end, because the tank on the CNR is not strong. T2 launchers really help the CNR works effectively.

Note: the CNR is a good choice, but not the best choice. IMO

i do not know what kind of special breed of elite cruisers you are flying against but i have yet to come across a mission where my tach range goes down to 5km. as it stands, i am actually happy whenever i get the blockade because it's a solid 20m bounty tick + 20-30 mil in loot. vengeance is a little more annoying but hey, that's what the long range crystals are for.

First of all, thank you for your tips :)

I would train for missiles BUT if CCP is going to apply the TD effect to missile boats, this solutioon is no more...

The only hope (dramatic tone) seems to be a drone boat and I prefear a rattlesnake over a navy domi.
Or as I mentioned, I could armor tank a BS (in my case a Tempest) and use 2 TC in mid slot, but this will totally kill the DPS and force the fit, resulting in a mediocre solution I would like to avoid.

In the end, it seems that the rattlesnake is the best optioon overall...

Navy geddon with a full rack of sentries. Drones for TD ships first and foremost, then melt everything else with lazors.

I know its not quite the same but I used to run lvl4's in Minmatar space with a Scorpion Navi Issue and high level missile skills but it was slow and frigs were a royal pain to kill.

I have been skilling up gunnery support and on the test server trialed a Nightmare in the same Minmater lvl4's and so far it rocks. Even the base fit I tried with Meta 4 Large Pulse lasers and standard crystals was great.

Now upped to Faction Large Pulse lasers and crystals and even Angel Blockade missions are no real issue, just keep a bit of range with an AB and burn down battleships in about 10-12 shots. Frigates pop in 1 to 2 shots out to 60km

Only Elite cruisers prove resiliant and take some close firepower and drones to kill.
Against Serpantis and similar, battleships drop in about 5 shots

Still skilling for T2 lasers and then with Scorch it will be amazing.

Yes higher resit enemies are slower to take down but brute dps and a well set up set of resists and burst shield booster make it a weapon system of its namesake.

I would recommend anybody trying to work out what will work go checking it out on Sisi first.

Still the mosty annoying npc tactic is ECM as it has pretty much no counter. TD and Sensor dampening can be countered with revised fitting but ECM appears to be pretty much impossible to counter.

I took the radar strength from 28 to 128 and still got jammed

From my experience in null, I didn't run into trouble with Sansha TD's until ships got within 65km or so. If you can get a sniper setup to reach that far with decent firepower and hold that range, then you should hopefully be OK.

Found your problem. Fit Tachyons.