Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You run out of cap with a standard Harbinger if you do anything more than just fire the lasers. Even a long point tips you over that edge. It's a laser ship, you can't expect it to be permanently cap stable whilst running everything.

In order for Amarr to have a valid laser ship that could continue to fight for longer than brief bursts without using any cap booster it would need a hell of a lot more than a 50% bonus to laser usage. Now don't get me wrong, I'd like to see one Amarr ship capable of this.

But for the meantime, I'd much rather have an Amarr ship that isn't an Abaddon that has 2 bonuses to using it's weapons, rather than 1 bonus plus the ability to make it slightly easier to shoot.

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Why are navy BS, cruiser, frigs necessary? tbh they aren't. But those of us that PvP are more than willing to spend a little more for a better ships. Risk/reward at it's finest.

Just wait for the pirate faction BCs. Those are going to be fantastic.

Those Navy Brutix bonuses are what the regular T1 Brutix should have instead of the useless Armor Rep bonus.

im sry ccp but i lost you here.... you overpower the brutix and proph very hard and bring out a new navy brutix instead of fixxing the t2 version the astarte and the eos both needing some changes maybe you should check KB stats and find out that a lot of ships are not used very often because they suck in pvp and the funny part is they are pvp ships.

in my opinion focus on balancing and new ideas of how we can make a ship right again is much more important as a faction version of a bc that will be expensive and not worth the price at all.

sometimes im wondering why i skilled commandship to 5.........

why have web+scram on a HML drake, which is supposed to stay far away from tackle range?

This fit has 73k EHP, 1003m/s, and 555 DPS, not to mention more than 100 million cheaper, more after insurance.

[Drake, HAM drake]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Damage Control II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Scrambler II
Large Shield Extender II
EM ward Field II
Stasis Webifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Warrior II x5

not to mention this fit does not need AWU at all, making it very newbie friendly to fit and fly.

For longer range work

[Drake, fleet drake]
Capacitor Power Relay II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Script

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

333 DPS, and 90k EHP, you can swap 40 DPS for 10k EHP by dropping a BCS.

The point is, the navy drake cost more than twice as much as a normal drake, and does things worse or the same, compared to say, stabber and fleet stabber, hookbill and the t1 frigs, navy omen vs regular omen. Or even the new navy cane vs regular cane.

funny thing thou, you need a sensor booster to take advantage of the extended range on those HML's, -1 midslot.

We are talking about a computer game. The thing is in and of itself unnecessary and the content in it is completely arbitrary, nothing in the game needs to be there. If there was one, or even two less factions from the games inception you wouldn't think there was anything missing. Would you have argued that destroyers and battlecruisers were unnecessary prior to their introduction into the game? What about T2 ships, or capitals?

Everything in the game is necessary by its very nature as game content arguing that a new type of content is unnecessary is dumb. You might not like it because it causes balance problems or supplants the role of some existing thing then fine but make that argument, not the dumb one you just made.

The fact of the matter is that the game benefits from there being new content, so you're going to have to make a more compelling argument than "It's unnecessary" to convince people that new content, particularly tame new content like new variants of ships is a bad idea.

I can seriously forsee all the null sec crybears moaning about how Nano Navy Drakes missiles are blotting out the Sun and stars.


EDIT: However, That Drake doesn't really do much DPS. hhhmmmmmm Not sure if I like it or not.

Noobs can't afford to fly navy battlecruisers in PvP any more than they can afford to fly pirate battleships in PvP. When balancing these ships it should be assumed that the fitting skills are no less than 4, including AWU 4.

That being said the drake is interesting because it has better flexibility with assault missiles and damage type, although the maximum damage potential and tank was shaved off a bit. I think the NI drake should ride out the way it is and see how it's doing in a few months after people have some experience with it.

After chewing on the hurricane FI I'm a little bit lukewarm on it. The old hurricane was stellar, but I think making the FI a straight upgrade to the regular hurricane is a little bit...bleh. All the other ships are a slightly different take by giving different bonuses than the regular hull, the hurricane is just a straight copy with an extra high slot. I kind of want the bonuses changed up a little so it does something different.

I have to agree about the HFI. It's just dull. It's the Hurricane we used to have and no real difference from the standard issue. Don't get me wrong. It's nice and all but just dull.

I say give it an extra turret and drop one of the damage bonuses for a falloff bonus. The SFI already has the tracking bonus. We don't need a bigger SFI but we don't have a fleet issue AC Kiter

EDIT: and no, the SFI isn't that great at being a kiter. It suits brawling so much better