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Jonas Staal
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-04-08 07:35:12 UTC
Hi there,

I will be using a Loki for high sec / low sec exploration combat sites.
Mostly Blood Raider space.
I will not scan with this ship.
The low sec sites are in "safe" space. I know, there is no such thing, but cloaker + D-Scan inside alliance "controlled" space should take me far enough.

loki
adaptive shielding
tactical targetting network
fuel catalyst
projectile scoping array
power core multiplier

2x RF Gyro
1x TE2
1x Shield power relay2

2x rat specific harder (passive/active depending on rat type - neuting)
2x LE2
1x Shadow Serpentis 100MN AB

6x 220 AC2
Cloaker/Salvager depending on area

3x Medium core defence field purger 2.

Numbers:
Tank: range 300 - 500 (angels - Sansha, BR about 430)
400DPS with drones and RF ammo (360 with T1 ammo) (T1 drones so far) - Cannot comment on range yet.
Speed: 1475m/s for 2min17 cap

What "level" of combat sites should I be able to handle in this? - Can boost DPS when needed by additional ship like sentry Myrm.
Any thoughts?
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#2 - 2013-04-08 11:56:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
If you aren't looking for a covert cloaked nullified ship, I would skip the loki and proceed with the sleipnir. More tank, more gank, half the price, no sp-loss when ganked. The Loki is no pve ship, or more precisely, it's extremely bad at pve given the pricetag.



Also, you'll have major cap issues. MAJOR ISSUES. the 100mn alone caps you out after 2-3 minutes, and there are hardeners aswell. I'm not familiar with the amount of neuting in those sites, but it looks quite grim.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-04-08 12:13:27 UTC
you can use a shield loki for incursions; for anything else pve there are better options.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Jonas Staal
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-04-08 12:16:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonas Staal
I understand that the Sleipnir would be a cheap / good alternative (maybe even better for what I'll use the Loki for atm), but since I was training T2 cruisers the Loki was pretty close skill-wise. - Tengu would be even better, but caldari / missile skills are lowish.

The 100MN would mainly be for high-sec 4/10 in case I'd have to race to the wreck. 10MN AB gives me somewhere near 650-700 speed (don't know out of the top of my head), but would be a better solution for harder sites to keep my speed up! In these harder sites, racing to the wrecks wouldn't be such an issue.

About the cap/hardeners: When facing neuting NPC's I'll be using the passive variant of hardeners for less tank, but cap-independant.

EDIT: Added Tengu to the "why I went for loki".
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-04-08 13:54:25 UTC
don't bother with a 100mn for pve. The point of a prop mod on a strategic cruiser is that it adds to your tank by adding speed to your already great agility. Killing your agility to get more speed is pointless as you're not going to be kiting anything in a loki.

downsize to 10mn and you'll find cap issues and fitting becomes a lot simpler.

Art of Explosions
Vorin Roak
Bovinauts
#6 - 2013-04-08 16:57:23 UTC
Got to ask - Why not scan using the Loki? Unless you are dual boxing or have a friend scanning for you, you will lose more sites switching ships when you find a good site and the slot options available in place of the Emergent Locus Analyzer aren't great unless you plan to use the ship to PvP.

IMO if you aren't using the Loki to scan and run sites, you are better off with something cheaper.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#7 - 2013-04-08 21:57:03 UTC
This will do 3/10s and 4/10s. It will die trying to finish the Blood 5/10 because it can't take the damage long enough to either kill off the Exsanguinator and/or the web towers due to very poor range. It won't necessarily die in the 6/10 unless you screw up and stay in neut range but you don't have enough damage there to kill the Crimson Lord. It will die a fiery, horrible death in 7/10 and higher. It might swing an Annex, but range is going to be a problem in the second room, exposing you to neuts while you try to take down web towers/repair bubbles. It will die horribly to a Minor Annex -- but honestly that thing is near broken anyhow.

In general, you're asking a single fit to do too much. If you want to compete for high sec 4/10s, fit for it. If you want to run low sec sites, fit for that. If you want to play in null in Blood Raider space, expect to bring friends and fit for that.
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-04-09 04:42:26 UTC
Jonas Staal wrote:
What "level" of combat sites should I be able to handle in this? - Can boost DPS when needed by additional ship like sentry Myrm.
Any thoughts?



if you are going to be dual boxing why not set loki for links or if pro at alt tabbing go for the uber webs. Web set up seems to be its bread and butter for pve use as a support ship.



Also your range will be bad. When TE readjusted evnetually, even worse. The 100mn will give speed bursts yes but will kill that cap. If you must have it, look at ambit rig(s) imo.



Also if hi sec or low sec is the goal...why not jsut run some a hard to find fit no cloak fit (boost sensor strength real high however you want/can). No fit gimp due to cloak to get more useful stuff on the boat.

In low sec your chance of a crew having virtues, max astro skills, sisters gear and max CO is slim. Virtues especially. Go hard to find and most times you'd be a ghost in the machine damn near. If they are smart enough to scan sites (many aren't), you have rat lock, you aren't going into stealth mode. Warp off and be hard to find somewhere in the system.
Mister Tuggles
Heretic Army
Sedition.
#9 - 2013-04-10 20:58:15 UTC
Lloyd Roses wrote:
The Loki is no pve ship, or more precisely, it's extremely bad at pve given the pricetag.



Shield fit webbing Incursion Loki would like to have a word with you.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-04-10 22:15:11 UTC
Mister Tuggles wrote:
Lloyd Roses wrote:
The Loki is no pve ship, or more precisely, it's extremely bad at pve given the pricetag.



Shield fit webbing Incursion Loki would like to have a word with you.


Cause you bring those for the sheer overwhelming firepower and range they have, right? Not as a web slave, right?

Art of Explosions
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#11 - 2013-04-11 00:12:01 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Mister Tuggles wrote:
Lloyd Roses wrote:
The Loki is no pve ship, or more precisely, it's extremely bad at pve given the pricetag.



Shield fit webbing Incursion Loki would like to have a word with you.


Cause you bring those for the sheer overwhelming firepower and range they have, right? Not as a web slave, right?



basically....

all loki does, imo, is bring some tank to an incursion. Out of incursions given its craptacular dps (and I have tried to make shooty loki to get away from tengu in eft theory crafting or copying peopls fits and yet to find a good combo) and need web support huginn does the job cheaper and ibetter if web support is main goal.

Huginn DPS is worse but loki dps is not that great anyway so in my mind if there to be webs...focus on that. Slap on a sexy uber web and if the rats could post on the forums they be posting "because of huginn" threads. Moar paint not a bad thing either if you bother to fit it.


Huginn jsut not the tankiest beast in the world so I see the no incursion love. I did know a 0.0 high end plex runner who loved it and based a dual box combo on huginn however. Made him a few isk. Old school minny pilot, he did not abandon huginn after nano nerf lol. He learned to make her work.