Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Good Morning Rise,

Thank you and your team for keeping up with the wall of text we've been generating. I can appreciate that finding a balance between some of the diverse opinions and wants can be a very difficult task while still maintaining good game balance.

Mega: Much improved. Retains it's classic role and features, and add's a touch of fresh flavor. This less radical rework should prove to be more widely accepted and utilized. Not sure it will replace Rokh's or Mael's in any fleet doctrine, but it now at least has the potential to hold it's own. In it's classic low sec Gunship role with logi support it seems better adapted than ever. +1 ( For anyone not 100% satisfied you still have the Navy Mega to tweak and they're not that much more expensive overall )

Hype: Alot better. If we have to get stuck with the rep bonus, this is a superior platform to do it with. The drone bay reblanacing seems very equitable considering the ship needs to live "In You're Face" to get it's job done. I can see where it has the potential to finally shine but I'm doubtful of it being OP simply because it doesn't have the pg to go wild with max gank & tank. As a dual rep Ion or tripple rep Electron platform it should remain equitable.

Two things are Exxceptionaly important here though. Currently Hype's go for +200 mil, Domi's for @ 95. While much maligned ( justifiably ) the rep bonus can be hugely advantageous to new and low sp players for pve ( and vets to ). Far and away the best manner to guarantee we finally see this ship fielded in great numbers is to nerf the hell out of the build cost. Make it the equivalent of the entry level bs and pve'ers will love you and PvP'ers will find a use for it.
Of significant importance is the one stat you actually don't list. Cargo Bay . Perhaps for the first time ever in the history of EvE, in particular in a Combat ship balancing thread, someone's asking for a cargo bay buff.
There's just no argument to be had. If it's getting stuck with the active rep bonus then it needs cap boosters. Even with Navy 800's and a med secure container it's just barely viable for a short drive by shooting. I'm not expecting it to have Itty 5 type cargo but it needs +50 or 75 for sure. Otherwise expect a rather large Nos drone thread to begin in 3,2,1.


Domi: Maybe I'm missing something. Maybe i don't '' Get It " with the optimal bonus. More than likely I'm still shocked that the Geddon got buffed the way it did. Either way, I can't see any purpose for this ship anymore. Not sure I'll train Amar BS 5, but i'll definitely have it at 4 for Odyssey. Maybe it will get better with Sentries. But that wont help if I'm using any of the two dozen other drones in the game. Ogre 2's and Zerks will still be stupid slow. Worse if the ship is now intended to be a mid to long range platform as opposed to it's more classic role of close to Very close range.

Going from a Vex to an Algos you definitely notice the speed bonus at work. I've used an Omni or Drone Nav comp on the Domi a few times but never been impressed enough to keep it on for long. Perhaps now they'll start to shine but sorry, I'm hugely doubtful of that . ATM I'm just at a loss to see any reason to PvP a Domi instead of a Geddon.

Thanks again for working with us on this.

@ Hyperion.
well the cargobuff would be nice. and fit perfect with the ship size. we must remember that the hyperion is the biggest battleship by far from its size.

so add a little bit cargo, and please add a little bit max velocity, so it fit better with MWD whats important for the Brawl.

and btw, why dont pushed the lock in range a bit ? just 5km more would help much !

the tempest have a 5% refire rate bonus wich is stronger then a 5% dmg bonus.
so the tempest do more then 10% dmg in compare to the hyperion.

I think the revisions are a step in the right direction and I definitely appreciate the re-tweak.

However, did you actually nerf the Hyperion's damage by taking it from 8 turrets with a 5% per level damage bonus to 6 turrets with a 10% per level damage bonus?

(8*1.25) vs. (6*1.5)

Am I missing something?

On edit: realized the PG buff will allow the fitting of heavier guns w/ the standard armor set up. This is actually quite good.

Also, color me skeptical that a trimarked, plated Mega is going to be anything but fast and agile. As much as I do not like local armor reps, it makes sense that the active repped, no trimarked, ship would be far more 'agile' than the plated, trimarked one.

I still don't see a fleet ship here, except maybe the Dominix.

Still, over all, much better.

Not bad.

The changes are not that bad, but I suggest that the mega gain a mid, and loose a low. I too am worried that the ship might become bogged down and loose it's attack role.

The lowslot it gained? See: http://i.imgur.com/ybjuixD.jpg

I've seen this posted before, but no CCP comment on it yet.

Why is it that some ships have drone speed bonus, while others have tracking? It seems to me that rather than standardizing bonuses across the races, the drone bonuses seem to be going everywhere.

Optimal/tracking bonuses are great for sentry drones, but a Dominix with Ogres is wasting one of it's hull bonuses and not likely to do much against anything that isn't webbed and scrambled. Why not add the 25% MWD speed role bonus that the Algos and Dragoon have to make Ogres a viable option for this ship too? You can have a second look at the Myrmidon and Prophecy while you're at it...

It's pretty disappointing to see the Gallente line of ships be so limited to either Blasters or Sentries, a little consideration for the many other line of drones would be appreciated.

Ya, gotta say also, im going to miss the utility high for my rr mega fleet. Sad panda day, but at least we are not going to get stuck with what was originally proposed.

I guess this makes the Domi the "ship of the line"? Hospital RR domi fleets here we come.