Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The problem with giving the Hyperion a resistance bonus is that it won't solve anything. It will merely turn the Hyperion into a short-range Abaddon. There will still be no reason to use it over an Abaddon in a fleet. If it gains sufficient damage output, damage projection, and/or tank to be more useful than an Abaddon or a Rokh, then it will render one or both ships obsolete. Making one ship useful by obsoleting another is not good design practice.

Instead, the Hyperion should excel at something that the other three factions' fleet battleships do not. Lack of a resistance bonus in itself is not fatal to a fleet ship; the Maelstrom and the Tempest are prime examples.

This all assumes that every faction should have a fleet-doctrine battleship. There's no real reason for why this should be, and it seems to be coming out of a misguided search for symmetry where none needs to exist. I'm not sure why the Hyperion cannot receive some minor tweaks to make it an excellent solo/small gang platform.

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The proposals for moving sentry drones are interesting, but may make heavy drones and fighters almost wholly obsolete. Currently, sentries, heavy drones, and fighters all compete against one another for the anti-battleship drone role. The higher dps and tracking of heavy drones and fighters relative to sentries compensates for their long travel time, and makes them superior to sentries in engagements of under 10km, or where the ship cannot remain in one position.

No, the biggest problem with the domi is the ship model...

Thinking a bit more about the domi concerns compared to the armageddon, they mostly are :
- mid slots are worthless ;
- PG is good ;
- CPU is worthless ;
- speed/mobility is worthless ;
- neutralizers are king ;
- armor is the only worthy tank stat (BTW, 500 armor translate into ~4kehp... a 200mm plate...)
This is clearly an amarr bias in fact. Considering these concerns, the Dominix *cannot* be good compared to an amarr drone ship, and the only solution would be to wipe out the armageddon and do something else with it.

Yet these qualities fit a lot more the amarr doctrine, so why don't you go to the amarr thread to congratulate CCP for the perfect ship they made for you ?

As for the tracking/optimal bonus, that will allow garde II to hit at 56+12km with one OTLII, with 0,0675 rad/s tracking : this is comparable to pulse abaddon with scorch.

Well, honestly, that mindset stems because CCP is pushing more for specialization, and specialization, to CCP, extends not just toward T2 hull specialization, but race specialization as well.

When looking through this lens, there is a hole for "hybrid/armor" (Gallente) boats in fleet doctrines. And before someone says "Oh well Domi is the intended fleet ship for Gallente rabble rabble rabble!" let me remind you that of the Battleship-hulled drone boats, the Geddon is the better of the two, and those longer range neuts and capless missile/projectile fits are going to help neut out tacklers, etc., in addition to being a fierce dps platform with comparable tracking to a Domi with the addition of a couple of OTLs in its newly made available 4 midslots.

There is a demand, there, to be sure. But I think shoving the Dominix into that role is a mistake. I'd much rather see the Mega or Hype fit into the fleet doctrine by giving them an advantage on mobility (50% quicker MJD spool or something similar) to let them--ffs--get into range to open up hellfire from those neutron blaster cannons. Or give them, as some have suggested, a stacking armor HP buff (to limit the amount of plates needed, which is an increase in mobility). The last option, however, doesn't really address the strength of the resist bonus in Logi supported gangs and fleets, as well as the built-in buff resist bonuses serve to local active tanks, as well.

AAR is pretty good

It's reasonable, for a t1 item. The problem is that everyone compares to the ASB lineup, which is a t1 item more on par with the tankability of dead space shield boosters. IF ASB were more heavily nerfed and t2 and meta versions of aar and asb became available I think allot of the issues would solve themselves.

My attempt at the domi change now before the flame and rage I have been at this a few mins and admit refinement will be needed by someone who has not been up over 24 hours and has been getting drunk for the last 4 hours.

Gallente Battleship Skill Bonuses:
+10% Drone Damage and Drone hitpoints
+7.5% Drone optimal range

Slot layout: 6H, 5M, 7L; 5 turrets , 0 launchers
Fittings: 9000 PWG, 600 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 7300(+1831) / 8000(+1789) / 8500(+1859)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second) : 5350(+350) / 1080s / 4.77
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 112 / .1254 / 100250000(+3150000) / 16.88s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 125 / 425
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 72.5km / 96 / 6
Sensor strength: 21 Magnetometric Sensor Strength
Signature radius: 468(+48)



Trying to be constructive here although i fell rage and flam coming on god help me

I second this, Command ships are FAR FAR FAR more broke than any of the T1 BS were. ATM All commands other than sleipnir and claymore have 1 less total slot than t1 BCs.

I think it's reasonable to assume that they will be receiving a slot each or be mauraderfied, in the sense that the number of guns will be reduced combined with a large damage bonus making up for the lost dps. This would then open up utility highs for the usage of Gang links w/o totally shitifying your combat capabilities. Such a change is going to be necessary if On grid boosting is to go live.

These changes fix nothing, the Dominix and Mega were considered very good for battleships and are now infeirior at what they were good at.

The Hyperion was considered **** and is now more ****.

Battleships as a class need to be rethought.

Askulf Joringer / IceDe4d

PS: PLS FIX ASTARTE !!!


Please don't.

ATM Damnation & Abso will get an AOE DD bonus and Astarte/Eos will get an optimal range bonus to Fireworks and Snowballs.

Lets fix one disaster at a time before we get into another mk.