Player Features and Ideas Discussion

And you wonder why they do it when you cry like this?

Goons gank empty freighters.

I stopped using mine, there's no point to even bother.
CCP has stated before, bumping ships forever with throwaway toons (They keep aggressing you with noobships, and when the toon is too low Sec-Status to sit on gates, they just biomass and make a new one) in noobships is not bannable as stated in the EULA, but rather "Emergent Gameplay".

This is all incorrect data. If you are red, just assume you are dead.

We have an alt-corp with standings, when your aggressor gets too low, the aggressor joins that altcorp, goes around with a TP frigate, and hops on the sec status safari that we hold no less than 3 times a week in each TZ. 3x2 hour sessions should have most people back up to space legal status. Sec safaris happen in both EU and US TZ's. It is a well oiled machine at this point, as we've been going strong since this past august. We've taken breaks here and there, and are currently on one for a big sec overhaul to make sure everyone is at 5.0, to ruin days for weeks to come.

No biomassing occurs whatsoever. We're just much more organized and definitely smarter than you. Everything is aboveboard and follows the letter of the law. We intentionally looked at the eula to avoid any bans with our active participants.

A lot of this process will be sidestepped when CCP publicizes the Sec for Tags program going live in Odyssey that they discussed in the CSM minutes this past summit.

So get dunked on nerds, CCP made it harder to loot, but gave us more bang for our sec status, and is now making it easier to get legal again.

Hello,

I have couple of things to discuss as Freighter pilot that I am not happy with.

First of all I want to say that I am not campaigning for cancelling ganking or bumping, but I would like to see some improvement and logic in process of bumping.

Recently I was shot in highsec system Deltole. It started as most of the cases. I was bumped from gate by two Machariels and at the same time I was attacked by noobship from the same gang. I think many people know this and experienced same situation as I did before. I want to point out that I was not using autopilot.

1. Why did Freighter pilot, that didn't aggress or attack and does not have any modules, get 15 min timer and got penalty and can't log off because he would be seen in space anyway even after log off ? Why was penalised someone who did not do anything and didn't attack anyone?

Pilot (pirate) that attacks Freighter and his ship is destroyed can just dock on station and gets new noobship for free, undock and aggro the same Freighter again (even so the Freighter pilot is logged off but his ship is still in game) and so he can keep the Freighter in game indefinitely. Expenses for the pirate? None, he will get the noobship for free.

2. Regarding the nature of Freighter ship (almost 0% resistance) it's really easy to shoot it down for other players (pirates). Why is this type of ship build like this ?

they are getting by shooting down Freighter then couple of Catalysts?

I think that regarding to bumping, players that do this practice in highsec breaking the law but no one is persecuted for that behavior. On the other side I understand it is difficult to change this because I do not know how would it work on Jita and any other big hubs where you bumping when you undocking but usually no on purpose?

If EVE should be real as much as possible and you can do whatever you want (ganking, bumping)
there should be much better way to oppose these players and NPC corps should not accept these players and you could declare war against them and they woudn't be able to be hidden after NPC corp.

If EVE should be real as much as possible and you can do whatever you want (ganking, bumping)
there should be much better way to oppose these players and NPC corps should not accept these players and you could declare war against them and they woudn't be able to be hidden after NPC corp.

If EVE should be real as much as possible and you can do whatever you want (ganking, bumping)
there should be much better way to oppose these players and NPC corps should not accept these players and you could declare war against them and they woudn't be able to be hidden after NPC corp.

Lastly, I would like to point out that being able to fly a Freighter in High-sec does not entitle you to some sort of gank-free environment

There's several "omg freighters are being ganked" threads in this forum... You really should browse the top 2 pages at least, and ideally do a search to see what's been discussed and either add your experiences to those threads. When you are presenting a new spin/idea, I can understand then making a "new thread", but I don't see any new ideas in your post... making this a very duplicated thread!

Freighter Revamp Idea
Give Freighters Lowslots

Now, to reiterate what has been discussed already:

1.) If you carry a low value in cargo, your chances of getting ganked are very low.... like 1 in 10,000 trips through Uedema... (and that's using March data which was a fairly active month -- 50ish kills in Uedama. (Go see those other threads for citations). Of the last 50 kills in March... 2 were not suicide ganks, 4 were ganked empty, 4 were ganked for a double-wrapped package... and 4 were ganked with non-empty cargo's below 2b isk.

2.) The Aggression Flag change was an AWESOME and NECESSARY change, as people often used log-off mechanics to "save their ships" from destruction when they did something stupid.... (like jumped blind through a gate into a gate camp).

3.) Assuming freighter ganking is truly an issue, these are the potential remedies:

Simply buff freighters like mining barges were buffed....

-- In my opinion, this is the WORST thing CCP could do. It essentially stomps on the emergent game play rather than nurturing it.

Give freighters fitting options so they can add tank and/or agility at the expense of carge...

-- In my opinion, this is the Best thing CCP could do... Idiots are idiots, and there will still be plenty of targets to support the emergent game play. At the same time, it gives frieghter pilots the ability to optimize their ship to manage cargo, speed, and tank. Things to be aware of... No highslots... (cyno's cool, but cloaks inappropriate!!)... Midslots as long as no easy MWD-to-warp shenanigans... Give lots of low slots, but balance HP to cargo capacity.... Untanked, freighter EHP ~100k... Fully tanked... freighter cargo should be about 75k m3... Max cargo fits should be less than 1m m3.

Alternatives that enhance game play, rather than inhibit it (propose more as you think of them):

Decoy Cargo Containers -- Insure your ship, configure it so the suicide gankers think your hauling something valuable... and laugh when they destroy your ship and get nothing...
Exploding Freight Containers -- If your ship dies, the loot inside these detonate too...
Smuggler Holds -- Unscannable storage areas for your ship...

Just an FYI, my freighter has never been ganked while hauling the spoils back to jita, and i've run some 20-30bil freighters before.

I think we only ever had one 4b freighter ganked on the way FROM jita TO inaro, and that was Warr Akini (our leader) autopiloting. I then trolled him and he rage-logged.

If I can do it, then you nerds can do it. Goons are bad at ever remember? If you're losing your freighter, then you must be worse than goons, and that's saying a lot right there.

Snip to save space....

The gankers are guarenteed to loose their ships, how is this safe? The only reason its done is because people make it easy, profitable and fun. It is the harderst (and least profitable) it has ever been to kill freighters in highsec. It has ben nerfed repeatedly and it is very easy to avoid. If you die now it is no ones fault but your own so there is no reason for a change in game mechanics.