Crime & Punishment

So the combination of the Duke's Thread and the Pirate Story Thread had lead me to take my fresh nooblike face into the world of piracy... but perhaps I am too timid in my initial sally into the world of internet space ship crime. (see Pirate Story Thread).

Consiquently, my question is about ganking.

In my initial roam I came across a miner with a fat bounty, looked AFK, in a venture, two mining drones out, so no def weapons (looked at the ship, 2 mining lazers and a salvager (WTH? What are you gonna salvage without guns?).

Could be a trap, I got that much, and loosing a condor in a trap is cool, but how fast would it take for concord to show up? being the victim on a KM to a player would be fine, but being on a KM for concord and not getting the gank, would just be lame.

Is there a way to calculate the DPS needed to pop a venture? I have EFT now, and I think I understand how it works, but I still cannot seem to get the idea of how to figure DPS to TIME TILL CONCORDED vs the TANK of a few venture fits (looking up KM losses etc for said miner).

1. That "fat" bounty is only worth 20% of the kill to you.
2. That salvager is for salvaging things other people kill.
3. That Venture is not a trap.

Just grab a dessie and freaking shoot it, they pop like virgins in a strip club.

Thanks for all the responses! Going of a static 15 sec for the level of space I was in, I could not have pulled off the gank anyway (EFT noob fit venture vs my DPVolly, would have been shy by 1 - 4 volleys dependent on his fit).

As to the Isk trade, I would have made a good 10+ times the cost of my ship on the bounty alone.

after tweaking EFT as much as I could, I either need to move to lower sec asap or just get into being a Ninja as a step toward full fledged pirate. Dessies are to expensive to throw away as a gank ship right now.

Expect an update as soon as I can!

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Another question...

I read somewhere that you can Axowx (Friendly fire) corp members, does this include NPC corps? like, say State War Academy? because that would open a wide array of free targets, which would be nice to know.

No, I had read it. I am not 100% sure how the bounty that was well over the cost of both ships (not sure on his fit, but I made a few eucated guesses) could be only 20%. Unless you're speaking of possible extra bonuses that a priceless (thrill of piracy, tears, etc...). I would love to hear more on the topic.

I have looked around at a few guides here and there and now realize I need to get my scan skills up, seems like ninja is about the way to go ATM.

My biggest issue was trying to get that last number to plug into my "can I kill this?" problem. If I can't kill it before concord arrives, I get nothing at all... unless he salvaged my wreck, which would be possible, would he then have aggroed me? so I could hypothetically gank my self expecting him to loot my wreck, which would be stealing from me, I warp back in with a fresh ship and now have legal right to own him?

Bah, I'm probably over thinking it, but once again, after finishing the DPVolley vs. forcasted EFT, I couldn't get a kill in ~15 sec by 1 or 2 volleys

Thanks again for all the help. Hopefully I will have something new to post in a few days

Don't listen to him. There is no space bushido. If suicide ganking turns out to be boring to you there's still a whole world of criminal opportunities.

Regarding wrecks, if you suicide gank, your wreck is automatically abandoned, making it valid loot for anyone at all. Probably a good idea to use your neutral eyes to scoop the wreck.

I imagine the ganking will loose some of it's flare, at that point hopefully I will have gotten over the "OH [explitive deleted] I'm firing on a PC!" goofyness and generally gotten something, if even a lame 'yarrbear', of a feeling for what PVP is like in EVE. Not my first MMO, but pretty far from the carebear wonderland mmos like WOW or WAR (when it first came out).

On the wrecks, good to know, thanks for the heads up! Also, 'neutral eyes'?


OOOOhhhhhhhh... so try and guess at a =(venture + what's fit on the venture)/.2

...also good to know...

I was in a [Rocket] boat so I'd have to pick up the equivelant damage mod, wasn't planning on putting any rigs on, I believe there are some that increase ROF for missile...

Thermodynamics/overheating you say? That could be the winner, I mean, who cares if the rocket launcher takes damage, if CONCORD is going to counter gank you?

Also, thanks for the link! with the times given there I can safely say there is absolutely no way I could have picked off the target in my current ship... not in ~5sec...

If you're using roflkets then ballistic control systems are the appropriate damage mods. Not sure how effective rockets are for suicide ganking, blasters and artillery are more common by far

Or you can just Awox, and make them pay you to leave.

Regardless, Ganking is fun, which is more than enough reason to do it.

I would suggest the OP use a locator agent to find you, and gank every mining barge you own until you pay him to go away.

It's very helpful for a ganker to have somebody scope out targets for you. Ideally, that should be a friend, but you can do it with an alt. "Neutral" in the sense that it is ideal that they be in a different corporation as your ganking character, so that they can remain somewhat inconspicuous when everybody in your local area has identified you as a ganker and set you to terrible standings.

There are all sorts of ways to do this. When ganking miners, I often use a character in a mining ship fitted with a passive targeter and a ship scanner, as well as a salvager. I then find a belt with a likely looking target, sidle up to it inconspicuously while mining, and get a ship scan. If my scan reveals that they have fitted more tank than I can handle, I move on to another target. With a couple cycles of your scanner you can see what they have fitted and plug their fit right into EFT to check whether you can handle it. The passive targeter allows you to scan them without them seeing what you are doing.

Once I have a good target selected, I move my "eyes" to a position that the ganker/s can warp to. Because they are in a fleet with me, they can warp to my character directly. The goal is to have them land right on top of the target. Usually it's pretty safe to have the eyes move right up to within 500m or so of the target, then warp to 0, miners are pretty oblivious to what is going on around them as a general rule. After the gank, your eyes can then salvage the wrecks and scoop up the loot.

Also, while rocket boats can be fun to PvP in, they aren't great for ganking. These days the basic gank boat for most applications is the Catalyst. Fit it with the best small blasters you can fit in the high slots and the best Magnetic Field Stabilizers in the low slots. This is great for ganking miners in belts, or for ganks in larger groups. For ganking on gates or stations, especially in small groups or solo, many people prefer the Thrasher fitted with artillery, because of it's high damage per volley. In those situations the sentry guns will blap you long before CONCORD gets there, so you want to make that first one or two volleys really count.