Player Features and Ideas Discussion

"+7.5% bonus to armour repair effectiveness and -n% reduction to armour repair capacitor use per level" might work.

Honestly, the reason active armour tanking is so much less popular than passive armour tanking is primarily because of concerns over scalability and sustainability. Active armour tanks do not scale very well when compared to a passive tank backed up by a logistics fleet. An active armour tank can only ever tank a flat amount of damage per second and its ability to be sustained by remote repair suffers due to its lack of buffer, and it can be shut off completely by capacitor warfare. You can't, of course, get rid of capacitor warfare without screwing over several other elements of the game (one of which, coincidentally, is making active tanking overpowered when used against smaller fleets). I've seen bonus-based solutions before such as "-7.5% to enemy energy vampire and energy neutraliser effectiveness" but that's an incredibly specialised bonus that isn't applicable in any situation where the enemy isn't using a nos or a neut.

The extra low-slot on the Hyperion is an improvement but isn't worth the cost of losing a mid-slot, especially if (but by no means solely because) we don't have some comensurate method of balancing our capacitor budget (as a side note, it will very likely make most perma-tanking missioning Hyperion fits stop working). Because most PvP Hyperion fits generally requires two cap injectors, it will have to give up either a web or a scram, or abandon a propulsion mod, which are sacrifices you can't afford to make in most of the situations in which PvP Hyperions are generally used.

As to the Megathron, losing a low is likely going to give it precisely the same problems as the Hyperion has now. The Megathron doesn't need that extra mid - it's nice, but it's survived for years without it and I don't doubt it will continue to do so. It cannot live without that extra low. I also seriously question the logic of giving a rate-of-fire bonus to a gun that requires capacitor to fire without giving it a comensurate increase in its innate cap regeneration or a bonus-based reduction in capacitor need to fire.

I see what you're trying to do with the Dominix but it needs more of that to maintain parity if it's no longer going to be a blaster platform. The drone MWD bonus the Algos has would be very useful, as would a drone armour/shield resistances bonus (as the Dominix will now have an even larger chunk of its DPS put in danger by smartbombs). What it most desperately needs, though, is a drone control radius bonus.

Maelstrom has 8k base shield . 7.5k armor 7k hull. It doesn't need a hit point reduction to be honest.

No reason what so ever to nerf the armor hit points on the hyperion. The 7-5-7 slot layout with 125m/3 bandiwth is spot on however a sever nerf to the base stats of the hyperion are simply unfounded.

As for your comment about only seeing a Domi once fit with guns since 2006, you are either lying or again going full ******. Knowing you, I'm going to assume it's a combination of both, Id suggest going back to the fail heap forums and getting laughed at by the community there.

The Maelstrom also doesn't have the slots to field any resemblance of a decent buffer if you want a big tanks AND mobility AND tackle. And thanks to ASBs, the tank is also neut-proof*
It's basically fixed at that hp level, unless you want to start sacrificing things.

The Hyperion has all of those things, and with 5 mids you can triple rep (LAR/LAR/LAAR) which results in a bigger active tank AND more hp & dps than a Mael/Rokh.

Hybrids already reload in 5 seconds and take up far far less cargo than any other race.
Outside of large+extended fleet situations (ie: pos/cap bashing), how often would you say you have to reload guns mid-fight because you ran out of ammo?

You shouldn't balance the Hyps raw hit points around the Maelstrom's ASB.

Nah Maelstrom get's more DPS and only slightly less EHP with current stats and an active tank. Hyp might tank a bit more now with the LAAR/LAR/LAR fit but it's EHP is still within a nice range.

Rate-of-Fire bonus without a modification to capacitor base/recharge is a nerf, plain and simple.

I don't care how much damage it "does" in "EFT" when I run out of juice prematurely.

Prolly been said already, but.... 30 pages is Tl;dnr.

Mega is a great multi-role BS as it is. With current low sec mechanics, yes it's more used as a station game counter, or a quick ganker. But dropping it's armor amount and taking a low from it is gonna make it really rather fragile as far as a blaster based attack battleship would be.

I do love my Mega, don't get to fly it enough. I can't imagine, with current low sec mechanics and all, that I'll be able to fly it with any regularity as it will be. Can we drop the Random High and have our Low back?

An RoF bonus is pretty silly if we can't track.



EDIT: Tracking statement is based on losing a utility low which usually carries a magstab or TE to apply the mega's full DPS potential

The Hyperion, as proposed, have all it neet to be a fleet platform. Just forget the armor rep bonus if you are in fleet. This bonus is only a bonus for smaller scale things. 8 guns + 7 lows make it good for fleet, and that's what it lacked before, and what people complained about. The Megathron can't take this job, because it lack the 8th turret.

People always moaned about the armor rep bonus being useless, and now everyone cry about the 5 mid being mandatory for armor rep setup... Go figure....

As for this fifth mid, I'm pretty sure it's not necessary anyway for one or two rep setups. Cap stability is only useful when heavy neutralized, but I'm sure 5 minutes of cap should be enough for most other uses. And if you need this second cap booster that much, the new Megathron can take this role anyway.

People are so narrow minded, it's depressing.

Looking at the whole picture, these changes offer everything gallente can need :
- long range high utility armor fleet : dominix
- long range armor gun fleet : hyperion
- guerilla : megathron
- heavy brawling with some support : hyperion
- solo whatever : any of them
- high utility/support : dominix
- gank : megathron

What they don't do is turning gallente ships into caldari/amarr ones.

It would take ~7 minutes of constant fire to exhaust the ammo out of an Ion blaster with the change.
Currently, it would take 9-10 minutes.

You're telling me that you are getting in so many long fights that in the span of 7-10 minutes you don't have a 5 second window to reload? Aside from shooting POSs & Capitals, I see this a very very minor problem. Especially since the Mega is now doing more damage, and has never really had severe cap problems (and it wouldn't now)