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Looting and salvaging major dissapointment

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Egravant Alduin
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#1 - 2013-04-09 08:01:25 UTC
Hi guys,
After 200 level 4 missions and owning a noctis I have looted and salvaged a lot of missions until i realized it's wasted time.The best loot was 30m (once)with salvaging included and all others 5-15m max.After I calculated the time needed for looting and salvaging and the time required to start and finish new mission the isk/hour is far better with only missions.Really really regret buying noctis.

Feel the wrath of the GECKO!

Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-04-09 08:42:49 UTC
Hi there, if your going to leave behind your own wrekcs might i suggest that you employ the services of ProSynergy and have them salvage the sites for you. You get to keep 45% of the profit from selling/refining loot (45 to the salvager, 45 to the customer and 10 to the corp).

Just join channel ProSynergy and ask about. Theres also a website i think its www.prosynergyeve.com

hf & fly safe
Kasutra
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#3 - 2013-04-09 08:46:23 UTC
Looting and salvaging L4s has seen better days. Do it if

  1. You don't have the skills/ISK to run L4s well
  2. Your boat has utility highs that you can use to haul in some BS wrecks while you're killing (read: you're in a Marauder)
  3. You just cleared a faction navy mission for some reason

It's not mandatory.

Quote:
Hi there, if your going to leave behind your own wrekcs might i suggest that you employ the services of ProSynergy and have them salvage the sites for you. You get to keep 45% of the profit from selling/refining loot (45 to the salvager, 45 to the customer and 10 to the corp).

Just join channel ProSynergy and ask about. Theres also a website i think its www.prosynergyeve.com

hf & fly safe

Oh, yeah, those guys are legit.
Chi'Nane T'Kal
Interminatus
#4 - 2013-04-09 09:10:36 UTC
Some missions are very profitable, some much less so. All it needs is a bit of experience to know which to bother looting.
Egravant Alduin
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#5 - 2013-04-09 09:38:07 UTC
Is pro synergy to be trusted?I have heard good things about them.

Feel the wrath of the GECKO!

CkapT
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-04-09 10:31:47 UTC  |  Edited by: CkapT
Egravant Alduin wrote:
Is pro synergy to be trusted?I have heard good things about them.


Trusted with what ? Your choices are :

salvage and loot it alone ( You tried and it does not work for you ) .
leave the wrecks ( forfeit ALL of the loot salvage )
Use pro synergy ( and get 45% of the salvage/loot profit )

So between losing all the loot and salvage and getting nothing at all ...... and using pro synergy where is the risk factor ? That they don't give you exactly 45% but less ? It still will be more then you would get by just leaving the wrecks there .
Grombutz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-04-09 16:41:37 UTC
Looting with a noctis - alt, while you're doing the mission = win.

Any other option is kinda mew in most cases, yes.
Zornia Estemaire
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-04-09 20:10:13 UTC
Quote:
Looting with a noctis - alt, while you're doing the mission = win.


Statements like this always confuse me. But I have never questioned until now. I mean, how can your alt be salvaging in a Noctis while your main is running the mission. Is there actually a way to run both at the same time. Or does he mean a 2nd character on the same account? What am I missing here?
Sodohm
Eve Rookies Academy
Eve Rookies United
#9 - 2013-04-09 20:51:19 UTC
He means another account with a noctis on it, which is kinda dumb as double dps brings more money than dps + salvage
Rengerel en Distel
#10 - 2013-04-09 20:53:02 UTC
Zornia Estemaire wrote:
Quote:
Looting with a noctis - alt, while you're doing the mission = win.


Statements like this always confuse me. But I have never questioned until now. I mean, how can your alt be salvaging in a Noctis while your main is running the mission. Is there actually a way to run both at the same time. Or does he mean a 2nd character on the same account? What am I missing here?


You doing a mission, then alt comes in to salvage while you're doing the next mission. It hardly takes much attention to loot/salvage, or do missions in most cases. Another way is to just do missions for 90 minutes, then salvage everything. Only BM the missions that had enough wrecks to make it worth it. Wrecks last 2 hours, so just BM with the time so you know which to go after first.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.

snake03
#11 - 2013-04-09 22:22:49 UTC
Egravant Alduin wrote:
Hi guys,
After 200 level 4 missions and owning a noctis I have looted and salvaged a lot of missions until i realized it's wasted time.The best loot was 30m (once)with salvaging included and all others 5-15m max.After I calculated the time needed for looting and salvaging and the time required to start and finish new mission the isk/hour is far better with only missions.Really really regret buying noctis.



Sorry that it took you 200 missions to figure this out... Now please rename your thread to reflect that your referring to carebear looting and salvaging in empire and not the sort of salvaging that Big Boys like me do in unknown space.....

I'm just a modern day caveman in search of a bigger club.

CkapT
Perkone
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-04-10 07:02:46 UTC  |  Edited by: CkapT
TBH Noctis is by far the best purchase i ever made. It payed itself 20 times over already . But then again i run forsaken hubs in 0.0 . That Noctis almost doubles my income :) . Just the other day i loaded all the salvage and jumped it to jita . That salvage was from about 10-15 hubs and it sold for over 180 mil . And that's not counting all the minerals i got stockpiling in 0.0 from reprocessing the loot . That's another 80-90 mil right there . It even made me lvl my Refining and Salvaging to 5 and Ore industrial to 4 and now the salvaging is even faster. I usually run 2/3 Hubs BM them and change to my noctis for salvage.

To tell you the truth i never got what's so appealing about lvl4's the ISK is crap (pardon my french) LP income is meh . Move to 0.0 and believe you me your Noctis will be your golden egg .
Egravant Alduin
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#13 - 2013-04-10 08:52:40 UTC
What bm means?

Feel the wrath of the GECKO!

Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#14 - 2013-04-10 09:54:37 UTC
Egravant Alduin wrote:
What bm means?


Bookmark.

You create one in your "people and places" button on your Neocom.
The idea is to create a warpable spot where all your wrecks are and to which you can return even after turning the mission in (which basically makes it inaccessible by normal means). Since your wrecks stay around for two hours you can do several missions and salvage them all in one go (which is definitely more time-efficient) instead of doing it after each mission.

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Miks Rebelius
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-04-10 09:59:53 UTC
BookMark
Grombutz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-04-10 10:28:13 UTC
Zornia Estemaire wrote:
Quote:
Looting with a noctis - alt, while you're doing the mission = win.


Statements like this always confuse me. But I have never questioned until now. I mean, how can your alt be salvaging in a Noctis while your main is running the mission. Is there actually a way to run both at the same time. Or does he mean a 2nd character on the same account? What am I missing here?



Sorry if that was confusing to you, let me explain a little more.

I fly the missions, and the noctis follows as soon as possible (i.e while I'm doing the second pocket of a mission, the noctis loots the first one). If BS is faster than the noctis, or if missions have only one pocket, I'm creating a corp-bookmark, or warp the noctis in as soon as my BS warps out.

Yes, it might procude less income than 2 BS in 2 different missions, but that is way too much micro-management to be worth it for me. It was pretty Ok without NPC-brains, but now that you have to care about your drones, it's kinda meh.








Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#17 - 2013-04-10 11:03:19 UTC
Sodohm wrote:
He means another account with a noctis on it, which is kinda dumb as double dps brings more money than dps + salvage

training a second char to be able to run lvl4s reasonably fast takes way longer than training an industry/trade alt to use a noctis. also, salvaging is less stressful than running two missions simultaneouslly.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Doctor Ape MD
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2013-04-10 12:54:23 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
Sodohm wrote:
He means another account with a noctis on it, which is kinda dumb as double dps brings more money than dps + salvage

training a second char to be able to run lvl4s reasonably fast takes way longer than training an industry/trade alt to use a noctis. also, salvaging is less stressful than running two missions simultaneouslly.


This is what I'm currently doing. It takes very little time to effectively train an effective salvager, and it's a good thing to do while he levels up for bigger and better things (orcas, freighters, industry, PI, whatever).
bufnitza calatoare
#19 - 2013-04-10 16:07:12 UTC
Egravant Alduin wrote:
Is pro synergy to be trusted?I have heard good things about them.



they seemed good when I dealt with them..

also we have had new corp members in our corp make over 800m a day looting and salvaging in null sec.

you should try it one day...

not with us tho
Etheral Queen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-04-10 17:37:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Etheral Queen
I average about 8m in salvage and about 4-5m in loot, dont see a problem tbh and i do most of it semi afk although it has its down sides when you dont notice you triggered the last wave and start watching tv Shocked

If all you're after is isk/hr then yeah forget looting and salvaging anything but the battleship wrecks as you go but if all you care about is isk/hr the game gets stupidly boring.
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