Wormholes

Are you sure your timeline is correct? Cause I smell confusion here...
And are you completely sure you didn't batphone people in advance cause of some desaster that happened earlier, trying this 'invasion'?

Considering I was there the entire op, I can say with 100% certainty that my timeline is correct. As far as a disaster earlier, I have no idea what that could have been.

Lemme go ahead and refresh your memory.

Late October - Early Novemberish, An HK member trolls W-Space (the allaince) members to try and provoke a fight. The members were severely scarred by the borat jokes and LMFAO lyrics that were so repulsively spouted into local that they decided to come for revenge.

Last day of november, W-Space and No Holes Barred invade. They bring in a force of around 75 ish tech 3s and about 10-15ish caps. They were counting on the normal numbers that they had seen in our fleets through their scouting and spying work.

What they did not know was that we had recently shifted HK policies in a way to reward people with dreads or carriers. So the number of dreads we had in our hole was about 4x the amount they thought we had. On top of this, the invasion brought about unprecedented participation from HKs own members. (The day of the fight we had well over 90 people logged in compared to the normal 40 . This number includes alts.) And on top of ALL of this, we get a few VOC guys into our WH on our side.

So the attackers decide to call for help. They pull in about 15 Aharm guys. This brings the total number of hostiles in system to a little over 100.

However all of this was a moot point as on the final day of the attack, SSC opened up into us and bolstered our ranks by 40 subcaps and 3 capitals. We then moved to the static and got a null sec so that VOC and KILL could come in. This resulted in the largest and most expensive fight to ever take place in WH space.

The HK invasion showed 2 things.

1. 10 dreads no longer cut it for an invasion on a large and well established WH group.

2. If you are going to kick out a large and well connected WH entity, then you need at least 150-200 subcaps.


So what he meant by this was that you looked at the HK invasion and based your invasion kit off of those numbers. You then called even more people when the numbers we had MATCHED yours, forcing us to call in everyone else we could.

Did that clear your memory?

If you look at our fight from the other side... its a disaster. And as you saw the quote, I was mostly talking to Bane.

I thought he meant disaster as in right before our op started, as in something went totally wrong. I would hardly call what happened with you guys a disaster. Thanks for clearing it up.

And again, I will restate what I said. The 110 man fleet was not the only fleet we were planning for. Several other major wh space entities were known to be chain rolling, looking for a route in. Seeing as how we had no contact with said parties, we could only assume they were either with you, or were just looking to whore on some mails. Either way, more people were trying to get in and they weren't with us.


In conclusion, based on the numbers you had in your defense fleet, plus the number of third parties that we knew about trying to get in, I would say the right call was made to bring in more people. That said, it really sucks that a bigger fight didn't happen. Having never lived in null, I have never been part of a "large" fleet fight. Would have been awesome

Having lived in null for several years, I am glad it did not. I went to wormholes to escape massive fleet fights.

They were never fun.

I keep seeing this "110" number...

Can someone explain how evicting a PVP corp from a wormhole prevents them from participating in WH PVP?

This is all a purely hypothetical scenario so take it with a grain of salt.

So how does removing a PVP corp from WHs prevent you from participating in WH pvp? Well the answer is simple. Lets say that there are only 5 major entities in WH space. You are one of them.

You get it in your head that you want to evict another group of WHers that you PVP with every week. All good fights, some you win, some you lose. So you go in, you call on two of the other guys and you evict this guy.

You just reduced your PVP opportunities by 25 percent.

Now I know this scenario doesnt really translate well into eve because its using such a low number, but you get the message. The more people you evict, the less people you have to shoot. And if you evict everyone? Well congratulations you are victorious, you just killed off all of your PVP targets. You will NEVER pvp in WHs again in any meaningful capacity. You will only gank miners or the random low man site group. But hey, it doesnt matter right? You are victorious right? You won eve online, at least in WH space.

"You keep using that word. I do not think that means what you think it means."

~ Inigo Montoya