Wormholes

Before I start, I want to make it 100 percent clear. I am in no way speaking for Hard Knocks or any other corp or alliance that took part in the defense of TLost or my home system in December. I am here as a simple wormholer wanting the opinions of other WHers, or K-space dwellers, on the recent events in W-Space.

As you all know there has been a lot of teaming up recently in W-space on one side of some dispute or the other. While I personally see the need for it given the current state of WH politics, I am not 100 percent happy with it. Don't get me wrong, I am very grateful for the guys who came out during the HK invasion and would gladly put my caps on the line for someone else's hole. I just feel that if just ONE of the groups that invaded us attacked alone, we wouldn't have needed to call for backup. The final fight for that invasion would have looked something like 50 v 30 with us having a massive capital advantage. (Not disrespecting either groups that attacked btw, you attacked with what you assumed were sufficient numbers.)

The same can be said for the TL invasion. Its been said that polarized were the brains behind this OP. What would have happened if only Polarized attacked TL and our side didn't form up a massive fleet to try and roll for holes? Would Polarized still have been successful?

Blue lists are something that every group refuses to use. The proof of this can be seen every time we form up for some kind of op. You will see us on a kill together one week, and the next, we end up killing 15 billion in caps and a small tech 3 fleet of the same people.

What is the opinion of the standard John Q WHer?

As for me I personally dont like huge blobs of people... However I know that they are necessary. Any time there is an invasion, the attackers usually bring a much larger force than is needed. This causes the defenders to call on their Bros from other holes (I know it doesn Rhyme shut up). Sometimes we succeed, sometimes we fail. I only question the necessity of forming up more than tripple the numbers of the group you are attacking when you decide to invade. Note that I only personally list attackers because the defensive groups only form up when we hear that there is a possible major fight to be had.

Then there is bob. What does he think about our form ups. Is he angry that we form up to fight a stronger enemy thus diluting our victory? Does he then smile as the other side team up to slay the mighty beast? Or is he simply happy that the blood of the WHer is spilt? Does he choke on the blood easily poured from an open wound? Or does he simply drink it all up and savor in the taste? SSC might be able to answer this one the best. Father Herrbert I look to you for guidance in these matters. (Sorry bert, couldnt resist)

The current state of WH invasions/evictions is much like nullsec: both sides escalate until the one with more/luckier friends just wins on numbers.
WH space used to be about small scale PVP with 25-30man fleets being about the peak for most groups.
At those numbers tactics and skill still play a huge role where at 150+ man fleets where 10%+ of that is blap dreads, they really don't.

Personally I miss what WH fleets used to look like but i also know that It is extremely unlikely to ever change back.

Personally I join those things just because of the off chance that it just might be a good fight. The december op ended up being almost like shooting ducks out there, as in more of a gank of the other fleet than a proper fight, the last major OP ended up being a huge brainfart from everyone involved (my personal opinion, I think everyone screwed up big time, including the winners of the confrontation). I don't particularily care for Hard Knocks, TL, Talocans, Aharm, Adhoc, VoC, Exhale, TRECI etc etc... you could list literally eveyrone here and the opinion would be just the same. At the same time each of these big names of w-space are what keeps me ticking in w-space.

Every single time I connect to those guys, or hear someone else say on comms that we're connected to this or that corp, it brightens up even the most boring and uneventful day; the possibility of a good fight. I don't want to evict any of those guys, not even the ones I hate (these are individuals, not really corps, and no I wont name them simply because I don't want the drama and bullshit, there's too much of it already here), because I want melt their faces with my blasters today, tomorrow as well as in the future. I don't really even want to evict the farmers because they never bring the fights, not even if their life depended on it. In otherwords, I personally don't like the blobs at all and would prefer if these evictions were done the old school way of one strong corp versus another. Not strong enough to pull it off? Too bad so sad, get stronger.

In my point of view, the only time the wormhole corps should truly unite, is when it is against an outside force such as silly nullbears trying to turn wormhole space into something that suits them better. Outside that, if you have a grudge with someone or some group, smash their faces in, or stay in your own corner crying that you can't.

And NO, this is NOT the official stand of the SSC or FCFTW, just how I feel about things. I don't want the tidi crap or the blue donut in wormhole space at all, and lately I've seen a bit too much of both, even if temporary.

Is this why Exhalized fields 50 man fleets while the rest >30?

Obviously, if nobody formed up to fight us the result would have been the same but it would have been a much more boring invasion.

I don't like blue blobs either but i also understand that it's a basic survival tactic. If you take a minimum force to an invasion and the defenders call for help and end up overwhelming you, you're going to bring an bigger fleet next time.

Like you said, when we meet each other in space, we have good fun fights when possible but sometimes someone draws a line in the sand and people pick a side for the opportunity to take part in a rare and epic battle. I see that as player driven content/activity creation.

People will do what people can do- and people like winning better than losing.

I personally don't enjoy blob fights- individual pilots don't count for much when you have 100 more waiting to take his place.

I also don't enjoy besieging a system for a week and structure shooting for no personal gain.

Removing corps and alliances from W-space only means less targets overall and to me, that's bad.

Just my 2 cents.

Exhalized -

Seriously thou, we have only been one time in the same fleet after the split up.

The responses here are truly refreshing. I see people on both sides of the fence, and people from the sidelines telling me basically the same thing. Not really fond of blues, but will use them if they have to. I was actually worried for a while that WHs were gravitating towards the blue donut.

I see the necessity of the blue donut at certain times, and I can see why we team up for WH OPs as well. (Teaming up to try and gank a nyx in low sec doesnt count. All of W-Space would team up for super kills if they had the ability.) I just honestly wish we didnt have to.

you used to get fights by invading systems all the time. now it's impossible because those 'pvp' corporations just batphone half of WH space to avoid a real fight.

also, anyone claiming i dont probe down chains doesnt know me very well.

To point out I dident claim you guys specifically.. I just mean in general the first thought when you decide to pew someone is bring out all the things and rage at them with 400.. It would be nice if that wasent the first case..

Tbh there was this other big wormhole eviction attempt I was referring to.. Wink Wink.. Where the first thought was bring all the blues.. Then claim we are here for goodfites..

In your attempt though.. I honestly dont think there would have been so much defence responce if you hadent brought what you did.. Im pretty sure polarized could have done it alone easily.. and 1 v 1 in wormholes is something I think we would all like to see..