EVE General Discussion

Bored?

So why did YOU bring up billion isk BS?

As far as your main goes, try me. I'v had most of high sec gunning for my head for the last 14 months. You arn't anything special.

Of course, if you don't like the the more "carebearish" playstyles there are other viable things to do, I think the OPs point was that new players don't necessarily get that impression. The tutorials certainly don't prepare you or guide you towards those things, and there are a lot of corporations - particularly highsec corporations who aim to recruit new players - who tend to do the following things:

a) promote themselves as having PVP as a part of their corporation when they don't PVP at all (which is a bit misleading for newbies, with lots of none-pvping corps advertising as being at least partly PVP focused, they may get the impression that the amount of or ease of getting into PVP is very low)

b) enforce the idea that you are worthless until you've spent months training

c) kind of imply that the way EVE is played is to first spend ages slogging through boring PVE until you have "enough" isk built up that you can PVP. To be fair, a lot of highsec players, even long time ones, actually do play this way - for example, whenever the discussion of highsec vs nullsec balance comes up they'll say "but I'll go to nullsec AFTER I've made x amount of isk in highsec!". It's a valid choice, but it isn't the ONLY choice, and I don't think that comes across very well for new players, so they think they first need to spend ages carebearing before testing the waters of pvp

BoB and Goonswarm had been at it on the battlefields for months at the time this was engineered (not to mention the BoB war campaign that had been going on anyway for some time before this).

Goonswarm may have taken a cheap shot to get rid of BoB ... but that happens from time to time.


However, the sov that they took (and still hold) up north was all gained when they were newbies.



That said, while the OP's rhetoric may be a bit over the top, the point is still valid. I recently ran with an admittedly still forming hisec crew CEO'd by an old friend solely for the fact that they got dec'd. The alliance that they were part of (not led by said CEO) had the "no PvP ever" and "don't log on for a week during war" mandates that are apparently the problem that the OP is probably trying to address.

After the dec, I tried starting some "PVP 101" classes for our rookies ... people actually took offence at the idea that they should risk ships (that I planned to fund from my personal wallet) and ISK in a war, where the end result is "one side had better guns than the other".

Can i join GSF?

Who said anything about numbers? If EVE became like WoW and in the process gained several million subscribers that'd be pretty dead in my eyes.

I don't understand how going to low/null increases your "fun"
but that's just me, and i''ve lost every fight i have chosen to engaged in, along with all the others i didn't choose. meh, each to their own.

but to the OP's comment, I believe that false advertising is a ****** concept. If you advertise you are a pvp corp, and you run missions in high sec 6.5/7 days... that's just wrong.

even though i don't PvP, figuring out how to get around low/null was a blast. thwarting campers is such a good feeling. 'cos when you start those red guys on gates seem invincible, but then with a few tricks up your sleeve they become completely powerless.

but being down there is sort of pointless for a low SP carebear 'cos to farm the environment you need ships that can operate effectively and survive down there. ironically it's probably carebearing where the SP sink is.

It's sooo funny isn't it? When it suits their argument newbies are precious darlings like chicks just out of the egg.

Here's the thing. If I were to go upto a 1 day old newb jet can mining in Arnon, and say "hey dude, why you mining in here, there's better ores in the next system". Then they move and I can flip them, bait them, then blow up their ship. That newb now rage quits.

What will these people say when that newb comes on the forum? "Eve is a harsh world!", "ignorance is no excuse", "Eve is not for everyone", "you should have known high sec is not safe outside of newb systems", "a scam on every stargate" etc. etc.

Only when it's a carebear corp driving players away does lying to newbs become a problem for them

This is the thought process

Newb driven away by bad a pvp experience - good, thins the herd, stops eve pvp culture being diluted, eve stays a boutique mmo etc.
Newb driven away by bad a carebear experience - bad, eve needs more players, eve will die

It's total doublethink!