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Wardeced need info

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oldenoughtodrink notaminor
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-04-08 03:49:24 UTC
Yeh im posting on a alt lol

My corp just got wardeced mostly a mining corp the miners are inconvienenced but have moved them out of corp untill this blows over

The Combat toons should i get a large stock of pre fit ships and have them available in our corperate hangars?
The enemy knows were my corperate hangers are can i find out were theres are?

I would consider disbanding but the few that are ready to fight have a taste for the enemys blood and are happy to have free shots at the corp who wardeced can we cost them more blowing up there throw away ships and making them pay the wardec each week ? or would it cost them more if we reformed?

They apear to be a weak corp who only wardec mining corps I was offered 100 mill as a price to end this war but will not pay that under any circumstances would it be a bigger slap in the face to hire out 500 mill in mercs the isk is not the issue its principles.

Would it be worth contacting the other corps they have open wardecs with to recruit there combat toons into a resistance?

I know the ships they fly and the fits they use the only advantage they have now is knowing were my hangers are and a slight number advantage they have 1.8 for every 1 of ours

Ive been gone from eve a while and am really unsure how to procede except that me and a couple others in our corp have bloodthirst and would biomass our whole corp before paying 1 isk to end the war

thanks in advance for any advice
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#2 - 2013-04-08 04:07:00 UTC
oldenoughtodrink notaminor wrote:
Yeh im posting on a alt lol

My corp just got wardeced mostly a mining corp the miners are inconvienenced but have moved them out of corp untill this blows over

The Combat toons should i get a large stock of pre fit ships and have them available in our corperate hangars?
The enemy knows were my corperate hangers are can i find out were theres are?

I would consider disbanding but the few that are ready to fight have a taste for the enemys blood and are happy to have free shots at the corp who wardeced can we cost them more blowing up there throw away ships and making them pay the wardec each week ? or would it cost them more if we reformed?

They apear to be a weak corp who only wardec mining corps I was offered 100 mill as a price to end this war but will not pay that under any circumstances would it be a bigger slap in the face to hire out 500 mill in mercs the isk is not the issue its principles.

Would it be worth contacting the other corps they have open wardecs with to recruit there combat toons into a resistance?

I know the ships they fly and the fits they use the only advantage they have now is knowing were my hangers are and a slight number advantage they have 1.8 for every 1 of ours

Ive been gone from eve a while and am really unsure how to procede except that me and a couple others in our corp have bloodthirst and would biomass our whole corp before paying 1 isk to end the war

thanks in advance for any advice


Name em and shame em.
Who war decced your mining corp ?


Don't think of it as a war dec - think of it as someone else paying for adventure - get your guys in fast Frigates and go to low sec for a week.

It's rare that the GrieferBears will leave high sec, they are not very good at having targets that shoot back.
If they follow you - they will die.
If they don't - you can then shame them even further as they refused to come fight a mining corp and you can legitimately claim victory in the war.


If they outnumber you that is good - numbers are not always an advantage.
oldenoughtodrink notaminor
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-04-08 04:19:44 UTC
the name is hole exploitation inc i know they have 2 active players but aside from that who knows i know we have more than 2 active players ready to take the war to them when i went to go defend a miner they ganked yesterday i found both sitting in pods talking **** in local i guess i should have blasted there pods but i thought i would have a better chance to cost them later on with the kill rights didnt know wardec extortion was in the wings
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#4 - 2013-04-08 04:20:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
It's pretty much impossible to give useful advice about what you should do when you're posting with an NPC alt. What you should actually do depends entirely on the specific group you're at war with because how different groups conduct themselves with wars varies significantly.

Some groups camp trade hubs, others don't and actively hunt their targets. Some groups have very large numbers of wars and don't pay very much attention to what each corp they're at war with is doing, other ones are very focused. Some groups are poorly organized part-timers others exclusively fly in armor T3 fleets with logistics.

Unless you're actually willing to reveal some kind of information about your specific situation the advice you're going to be like the above: Extremely generic and poorly informed garbage and from some low/null/faction war idiot who doesn't actually know what he's talking about.

I don't even get why you'd post on an NPC alt in this situation. Being at war and wanting help isn't something that is going to have a negative consequence and it's pretty difficult to put in ally offers to the caldari state.

EDIT: Okay then I guess we have something I can work with now
killerkev kevkiller
Darksky Mining and Salvage
#5 - 2013-04-08 04:32:47 UTC
I was worried i could reveal info to the enemy they did not already have but as you say it might be worse denying allys info than enemys this is my corp
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#6 - 2013-04-08 04:40:58 UTC
Hole Exploration inc are bad, really bad. The most dangerous thing you're likely to come up against is Ix Method in a megathron probably with some logistics. If you have any vaguely competent combat pilots and someone who has any experience with PVP in highsec in your corp then you can probably make him explode.

The other corps they're at war with look pretty dumb and I wouldn't expect much out of any of them but it might be worth talking to them all to see if they'll co-operate. If you've got deep pockets I'd recommend contracting some mercenaries to join your war as allies, pretty much anyone you could hire can deal with those guys with very little effort, so if you hire mercs you should focus on finding ones who're willing to work with you to make your hostiles blow up. You can find a list of reliable mercenary groups here. But don't hire TAXU or ROOT. they are terrible.

Obviously caution anyone that stays in your corp that they're likely to find themselves exploding if they engage in any kind of PVE activity while they're at war and that it's important for your members to maintain communication with each other so everyone knows what is going on at any given time.
killerkev kevkiller
Darksky Mining and Salvage
#7 - 2013-04-08 04:52:00 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Hole Exploration inc are bad, really bad. The most dangerous thing you're likely to come up against is Ix Method in a megathron probably with some logistics. If you have any vaguely competent combat pilots and someone who has any experience with PVP in highsec in your corp then you can probably make him explode.

The other corps they're at war with look pretty dumb and I wouldn't expect much out of any of them but it might be worth talking to them all to see if they'll co-operate. If you've got deep pockets I'd recommend contracting some mercenaries to join your war as allies, pretty much anyone you could hire can deal with those guys with very little effort, so if you hire mercs you should focus on finding ones who're willing to work with you to make your hostiles blow up. You can find a list of reliable mercenary groups here. But don't hire TAXU or ROOT. they are terrible.

Obviously caution anyone that stays in your corp that they're likely to find themselves exploding if they engage in any kind of PVE activity while they're at war and that it's important for your members to maintain communication with each other so everyone knows what is going on at any given time.


Thank you very much that was exactly the info i was looking for i had assumed that they were baddies judgeing how they handled themselves and there other targets your confirmation means alot

the combat pilots we have left have a small pool of hi sec pvp experience to draw from but all are both somewhat competant and not afraid to lose a couple ships as long as we can let it be known not every mining corp is easy pickings I will definatley check out the list of mercs so we can swell the hurt inflicted on these guys

Thank you again for your time and advice
killerkev kevkiller
Darksky Mining and Salvage
#8 - 2013-04-08 05:02:44 UTC
our ceo was just offered a 50 million pay out to end there war not not the original 100 mill i wonder as the actuall combat time nears how low this offer will go as stated before though we will gladly pay 10 times that amount in lost ships and merc's

Quote:
Isk for the swear jar
From: Ser Butte
Sent: 2013.04.08 03:36
To: Darkson Darksky,

Dear putrescent mouthed person,

You have offended the High Space Admiral Sperg Sonic the Hedgehog Lord of Highsec and Champion of the Newbee with your grotesque mouth. As a punishment the High Space Admiral Sperg Sonic the Hedgehog Lord of Highsec and Champion of the Newbee has decreed that you are required to pay 50,000,000.00 isk to our corporation for the swear jar. The High Space Admiral Sperg Sonic the Hedgehog Lord of Highsec and Champion of the Newbee does not appreciate your treatment of our newbies and is willing to retract the dec if you write them both a full appology for your actions.


With great space ~*~hono(u)r~*~

Ser Butte,
CEO, Diplomat, Headhunter, Accounts, Client Specialist.


butte something and peppy something were the original ones to gank our miners i dont know any other name in this mail but i know our ceo refered to them as butt and puppy i am pretty sure non kill mails are ok to post here for lol's
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#9 - 2013-04-08 06:05:03 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
........ advice you're going to be like the above: Extremely generic and poorly informed garbage and from some low/null/faction war idiot who doesn't actually know what he's talking about.



LOLOL - too funny when it's from a risk averse player who mostly shoots POS modules in High Sec.


Since you are the same type of player that has war decced the OP - Lets test how poorly informed I am.
I live in Enaluri
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Come shoot me.
Bring the bling. (I like good loot so don't disappoint me - seems you have a Bhaalgorn - plz bring that)

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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#10 - 2013-04-08 06:19:48 UTC
oldenoughtodrink notaminor wrote:
the name is hole exploitation inc i know they have 2 active players but aside from that who knows i know we have more than 2 active players ready to take the war to them when i went to go defend a miner they ganked yesterday i found both sitting in pods talking **** in local i guess i should have blasted there pods but i thought i would have a better chance to cost them later on with the kill rights didnt know wardec extortion was in the wings



Ty for the info.

I wouldn't worry too much about them.
The second you see all high sec kills on a killboard then you know they are not very dangerous pilots and are afraid of anything that will shoot back.


Whatever you do don't pay them. Never, ever pay isk to end a war dec.


As I said - get some cheap frigates - go to low sec for an adventure.
They won't follow and if they do - they'll lose way more than you.

Mra Rednu
Vanishing Point.
#11 - 2013-04-08 08:24:57 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:

Unless you're actually willing to reveal some kind of information about your specific situation the advice you're going to be like the above: Extremely generic and poorly informed garbage and from some low/null/faction war idiot who doesn't actually know what he's talking about.



Lol and here's you, with all you're vast knowledge telling him to hire mercs, can't get a much more generic and carebear answer than that.

Op, get there members on watch lists so you can see when they are online, http://evewho.com/corp/Hole+Exploitation+Inc. Evewho is good for getting a member list plus a link to the kills/losses so can see what you may face. use locator agents to find out where online targets are, ALWAYS assume they have neutral scouts watching you move about, try to get some neutral scouts of you're own.

Don't get caught into playing on stations, get them tackled on gates or baited into attacking you somewhere you got homefield advantage, fly EWAR with racial jams, tracking distruptors, sensor damps, basically all the stuff people whine about that ruins pvp, use it and use a lot of it, that with a bit of dps should ruin any fun for them and actually bring some real pvp into a highsec grief war which these guys never want.

The boost to t1 frigs and cruisers should really suit you're guys and maybe the lack of Sp's and pvp exp, fit cheap but effective and remember to have fun and deny them fun, remember when you outgunned to dock up/cloak and smack them like madmen in local, preferably with links to those funny pic's.

But also bear what Ibanez said, lowsec is always somewhere these greifer's not like so much and will rarely follow with any conviction and yep there be dragons in there but depending where you go you may also find friends and somewhere to have fun, hell if you the standings you could even join FW on a side for a week or the duration of the war and learn a **** lot more than us idiots in FW/low/null could ever tell you, just remember if you do that to try and hook up with a pvp group and not some lp farmers.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#12 - 2013-04-08 10:58:13 UTC
killerkev kevkiller wrote:
our ceo was just offered a 50 million pay out to end there war not not the original 100 mill i wonder as the actuall combat time nears how low this offer will go as stated before though we will gladly pay 10 times that amount in lost ships and merc's

If what you're most interested in is getting the war to end getting a 50 mil surrender offer accepted is the best deal you're going to get as you're basically refunding the cost of declaring war on you. Making that kind of offer suggest he is pretty indifferent about being at war with you.

However if you want to hold the guy accountable for his actions and try and blow him up then you're just as welcome to go and shoot at him.

Also don't use electronic warfare that causes combat ships to lose their lock on stations or stargates, you'll just end up forcing people to de-aggress from the fight and more often than not they'll just end up jumping or docking. Also never camp stations, ever.
Ginger Barbarella
#13 - 2013-04-08 17:15:57 UTC
One tactic I've seen used in the past that works great is for all of your miners to have JCs scattered around. As soon as a dec rolls in, boot everyone, make an alt CEO, everyone jumps to a clone location, joins a different shell corp, and continues normally. Fail peeveepee'ers like to dec high sec and indy corps, so deny them the pleasure. They do it again, rinse, repeat. Or you could just leave everyone in an NPC corp once they jump out. Problem solved.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#14 - 2013-04-09 01:02:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Taoist Dragon
War decced by a two man corp....


you are willing to go out and fight....


Go out and fight! Setup an ambush or see if you can drag them to lowsec and smash them there.

Main thing is not to be afraid and go have fun. If you are out killing and fighting and they stay docked or avoid you then you've won.

feel free to trash them in as many locals as you can be bothered too Lol

Don't just up and shell corp due to some fail wardeccers thats just lame and pretty much giving up.
Murder them all and pod away!

if you get decced by a propper war corp then you will be in trouble but TBH most of the time you can operate fine while at war you just have to be vigilant.

As for not listening to lowsec corps.....meh these guys live and breath under a wardec situation and they still operate and make isk and ahve fun and lose stuff.....ignore the HS carebear pvp'ers...

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.

killerkev kevkiller
Darksky Mining and Salvage
#15 - 2013-04-09 03:06:31 UTC
Spent 2.5 hours chaseing one around trying to elicit a response or find them no luck we got bored of camping the gate back to that toons home I guess one of us needs to get better at useing on board scanner or equip probes the highlight of our night was cornering him in a station but after 15 minutes that got old maybe its time those with combat ships took a dip into low as no combat at all is worse than looseing the combat I think
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#16 - 2013-04-09 14:06:19 UTC
You're not particularly likely to get a stand up fight against any one man band wardec operation. Your best bet is probably to set a trap, leaving an appropriate bait ship somewhere he's likely to spot it while having everyone you know in a combat ship logged off on the other side of the gate and at the login screen, for example.

Also I advise against excessive smack talk, that is likely to attract unwanted attention.
killerkev kevkiller
Darksky Mining and Salvage
#17 - 2013-04-09 23:13:15 UTC
i was expecting them to send a gank squad we left one in system and other went to next system over and logged out ten minutes later to hopefully let them know they had a sitting duck our trash talk stays away from racial,sexual,out of game political mostly just calling them bullys and chickens lol nothing to heavy
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#18 - 2013-04-14 00:40:03 UTC
Don't bother trying to fight.. most high sec pvpers are no risk gankers who only fight when they know they are going to win..

Corp hopping, neutral RR, Links..

Just a whole bucket full of terrible.

You could just ditch the corp and make a new one, wars are expensive so you would be wasting their isk

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#19 - 2013-04-14 04:43:13 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:

I live in Enaluri



Quoted for posterity.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2013-04-14 07:19:53 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
You're not particularly likely to get a stand up fight against any one man band wardec operation. Your best bet is probably to set a trap, leaving an appropriate bait ship somewhere he's likely to spot it while having everyone you know in a combat ship logged off on the other side of the gate and at the login screen, for example.

Also I advise against excessive smack talk, that is likely to attract unwanted attention.


Hey now....

I'm a one man band.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk

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