Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Worked like a summoning charm

I think the biggest issue is there isn't another option for characters to safely not get blown up when they need to take a break... players are vulnerable when they are logging on/off and (un)docking, docking isnt even an option sometimes. So going afk while cloaked is the only answer.

I would still say afk cloakies are emergent because they can be used for griefing or as a part of much larger operations. Your not checking whats going on often but that makes it no different then PI which you can access once a week and collect once a month... Over a period of time though your still doing something.

In regards to the shimmer, I only say make it big enough so that people know that the person hasn't touched his/her computer through D-scan but can't use it to pinpoint their location to a celestial. Most afk players will just hide at a planet is they are being lazy and if they forget to move... The mechanic could be used to hunt them down or prepare combat probes for when they have to decloak. Having any means to hunt down a cloaky is taking things way too far.

You're in nullsec, if you can't deal with the threats inherent in that type of space then do not live in that type of space

All you nullbears and your "fix afk cloakers but don't take away my local"........... The day CCP removes local, I'll be flying around nullsec collecting all the tears.

Problem: AFK Cloakers
Solution: Remove Local Channel

And if they remove local you will be producing loads of tears as all your targets are in HS running incursions, then you will be asking to nerf HS.

Its fine as it is, cloaking and local, it works, the only people who moan are those that can't deal with it, be it the carebears who cannot operate with a threat in local or the gankbears who cannot gank someone because they use local for intel, HTFU both of you!

Let me get this clear, you are telling me that you do not use Dotlan and the in game map to locate systems which have a target in them? The perfect intel for the hunters is there, I have used it. The hot drop fleet will often sit in one place next to a Titan, they have a Titan range and they operate within that, at times they will use a Titan in another system for different ranges, now with the in game map you can see active cyno's, so you can get some warning, but not if there are beacons. Also are you telling me that I can D-scan a cloaked ship?

And I am perfectly happy to have cloaking and cyno's, it may be that what you say here is correct, I have been playing since 2009, but it seems more like that cloaks were, not cyno's.

Local is a tool, and as I tried to point out in another thread (and got insulted for it) that people think its infallible, but its only as good as the person/people using it, I gave an example of how when multi-tasking you can initially miss a person coming in local, anyway, I do not think CCP will nerf cloaking or change it, I do not think they will remove local and all these threads bleating on about AFK cloaking and remove local are wasted hot air.

I will try again, I pointed out in the other thread the intel on Dotlan and on the game map is akin to local, my suggestion (attacked by gank bears) was to remove that data too, so that space would become big dark and unknown so that people would have to scout for targets and that blowing up wrecks actually was worthwhile, but the wham bang I got a kill wheres my next one crowd did not like that, its not fair to have to work for a kill. If I had the ability to hide my activity in 0.0 then I would be happy to lose local, in fact I would welcome it!

I would call them gankbears, its like the ganking of mining ships, when mining ships had the tank of a wet paper bag they were all at it, now they have moved on to industrials, while only dedicated people go after mining ships. They are gank bears and want it made easy for them to get a kill and moan if it is not easy, but as for your comments can you explain what you are getting at as it makes no sense.

In terms of your second point, the player concerned was talking about going after the ones I suggested would be running off to HS, so I was pointing out that he would be disappointed coming to Null Sec to kill them. Not everyone who rats in 0.0 is totally risk adverse, as far as I am concerned those people who dock up and stop doing something in system with an AFK cloaker in system are just as lame as the AFk cloaky camper.

EDIT: From you're next post I see your a nerf HS player, nah, HS is a boring place

I see where you are coming from now. You do not want local as you are in a big enough alliance/corp that can setup intel around gates. Your main focus as a player is mining which apart from the people in space on the Eve map does not show as active, so local not being there enables you to hide you activity as long as you are far enough away from D-scan range of the gate. Your point of view is understandable, but those doing carrier ratting would want local, do I really have to explain why?

You talk about people docking up as soon as a threat turned up in local, but would I go and fight them with a PVE ship, or should I dock up and get into something more PvP orientated. To sit there and engage a PvP ship with one fitted for PvE is gross stupidity. If you mean at that point those that docked up and did not come out to fight then I would agree with you, but in my experience the majority of people I came across in SAS, Pirate Nation, IRC and briefly Executive Outcomes would dock up and go out to fight unless the fleet was too big to engage.

When in Pirate Nation an engagement with Convicted comes to mind, they came into UQY, we were ratting in Apoc's, we went back to the POS to reship, there was a Loki which was in scan, I jumped through into the next system in a Falcon, saw the Rook and Cynabal, so we got into combat ships and went after them, result one dead Loki, and before you asked I changed to a Rapier. But to sit there in PvE Apoc's and say come on bro is the height of stupidity.

Without local, only at peak times when you have full on hot drop support would you risk a carrier ratting, many of you would say that is a good thing, but then again that person who rats in a carrier is now going to be in HS doing Incursions or level 4 missions, but they are both so mind numbingly boring that he will soon decide to leave the game and if you think that is a good thing, then your wrong.

Anyway, I tend to makae a lot more ISK in 0.0 than in HS, because at the end of the day I would rather have all my teeth pulled out then run Incursions...

War targets, I need local to see war targets and potential gankers when I'm mining - and don't say get a defense fleet, it isn't efficient or done... for some reason pvpers don't like to babysit miners.............. can't imagine why..............

So local does have it's purpose and is one of the stronger game mechanics of this game being that it provides allot in terms of capability for the attacker or defender. If you just yank it from the game, operation mechanics and a whole lot of other things will also have change to make a monstrous butterfly effect.

Without a local, clandestine tactics will rule the skies and be able to move deep into enemy territory while not tipping anyone off. If that happens... well no one will be safe or able to defend. Disappearing into the shadows to reappear at your back with a knife...

So here is an alternative:

Each game client checks so the player's activity over the last 30min on every half hour (11:30, 12:00, 12:30, etc.).... If there is player activity, nothing happens. If there is no player activity a system message that locks out your client pops up saying "you are afk" and requires you to hit "OK" to unlock it. While you are afk you are removed from local regardless of the state of your ship (cloaked/uncloaked) or in a station and this would be applicable to all players in null low or high.

I think you are the one who does not understand. Nothing you have suggested is original, you just wanted to post your frustrations to the public, and are getting indignant because the group as a whole are not siding with you.

Cloaking works as intended, and requires no fix. If you nerfed cloaking in any of the manners you are suggesting, the day you board a capital ship and have to throw on a cloak, I bet you would be here posting how you got killed because your capital ship somehow decloaked and it should have a super massive bay just to fuel this.

Additionally, I DO sit there, active at the keyboard gathering intel. Its called a second monitor, Netflix or Amazon Prime, and some munchies. However since you can't tell what I am doing, you would be here posting yet another thread, demanding change that informs you everything I am doing, tantamount to invasion of privacy just so your not confused about what I am doing.

Please.. just do us all a favor and unless you have something original to contribute, post to existing posts as those go to the top of the pile as well, but have far more input and concept of thought than pointing the finger at everyone but yourself claiming higher intelligence.