EVE General Discussion

An acknowledgement of the nerf to the in game fitting management tool? Specifically on the stupidly small 50 saved fitting limit (this is ridiculously small given the number of ships in existence and the need for multiple fits for different purposes).

I understand that the ability to save fittings server-side seemed like a good idea and it would be if the saved fitting limit wasn't so low, as it stands now we're actually worse off than we were before. There was actually a fairly straight forward work around that only had to be done once if you moved to a new PC in order to access your saved fittings now there is absolutely no way to restore the lost functionality from the end users side. Having to save them in an outside tool and then recreate the fits manually completely undermines the use of the tool.

Also could we get the functionality to install RIGS restored?

What's this about rigs now?

If you've read the leaked memos and such you would know CCP has addressed this point. They truly plan to sell you back the functionality they took away.

The logic is this: They need to make extra money with micro transactions to replace the falling subscription numbers. They can't increase the sub price anymore so they have to use an alternative route. Apparently not many are willing to pay for clothes for barbie dolls locked away in the closet of captain's quarters so they had to find another item players would pay for.

The easiest to code is ship fittings, just change the database variable limit on ship fitting from 100 to 50. Now suddenly CCP creates a demand for moar ship fittings and forum request pile on. CCP being the company that just 'cares' about you will respond and give you the ability to get those fitting slots.....and it will only cost you 5,000 AUR or $200 for those extra 20 slots (see what I did there, you will chew through those 20 and want another 20). The fitting limit is the same for corps or personal so corps will need to pay AUR as well to get the fitting slots they need too.

Now if 1 person buys the fitting slot CCP has remade the revenue missing from 2-3 subs. They can then take that revenue and burn it in the barrel of Dust or Sparkly Vampire Online.

What? You thought they would spend it on EVE development since the money came from eve players?

Out of interest, what cap would be acceptable. There has to be a cap or people will never bother with cleaning up the fittings they never use and nobody likes having useless data in our DB if we can avoid it.

I was just looking at the stats from TQ after reading this and:
Out of ~310k characters only ~102k have more than 10 fittings saved or a little less than a third of all people using fittings.
Looking at the rest of the gap there are ~58k characters with twenty or more fittings saved, 37k with thirty or more, ~23k with forty and a little less than 8k pilots are already on the limit of fifty.

On the corporation side (Max of 100 fittings) we have a total of ~35k corporations saving their fittings.
~11k of those have more than ten fittings, ~6k with more than twenty, ~4k with more than thirty, ~3K with more than forty and moving to ~1.5K, then ~500, ~250, ~150, ~100 and then finally ~35 with all 100 slots filled.

So seeing as corporations must have fittings for all the different operations they are in as well as probably some baseline skill requirements per operational type and only 35 of those find themselves limited by the current 100 maximum: Would you be happy with that max on characters as well? Without even hinting at a promise of doing anything I can tell you that this change is essentially trivial. However, if you really want to remove personal fittings from the DB and back to the client then you're back in ClientLand. I don't really do ClientLand so I cannot speak to the complexity of that. But I sure don't mind removing your data from the database. I love removing data!

At any rate, just thought I'd pipe in on the discussion as that's what I'm doing these days.

100 per char would be a good start. I personally have 30, and am admittedly holding back a bit adding more since I want to save room under the cap.

This is an interesting number.

Optimally, you'd be able to store in both locations — things you want to make sure you have everywhere (and, obviously, corp fittings) go into the cloud; fittings you're just toying around with and/or you will only ever use one computer goes local.

So the question is: how hard would that be — to read and write fittings to two different locations?

Especially considering your usage stats 100 sounds perfectly fine to me (I'm happy with the 50 anyway, but if some people really want more). Just don't want to miss out any future ideas or features due to those few additional bytes. :)

And I think that's kind of the problem: those who use it and make it a part of their regular game interaction will use it a lot; those who don't use it… well, they don't use it.

So one size doesn't really fit all — quite the opposite, you have a classic bath-tub curve with two extremes and very little in the middle — and hard-coding a per-character limit based around some average number becomes something of a disservice for both ends of the spectrum (or… well… perhaps not a disservice at the low-end; more of a non-service).

Only ~310k characters have at least 1 fitting. That isn't "interesting", at least not in the way you're implying it to be.