Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Well, is that really a game design problem? Must an entire class of ships be altered just because a freighter pilot might not have enough corpmates around when he's itching to move? Even without corpmates, the new duel system can be leveraged to let an out-of-corp friend assist you with webbing risk free, and without the hassle which was required for this to be done before.

Also, I'll go out on a limb here and postulate that someone who has a regular reason or need to move a freighter more than likely has more than one account. and especially if it's a jump freighter.

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No, you dock up before you get to the 0.5 or 0.6 systems. Duhhh. Wait, weren't you the one calling me an idiot?

No, no, no. Read the thread. These guys don't want a more expensive ship since that by itself will result in ganks...granted it is extremely unlikely, but there it is.

gankers dnt generally use log on traps. they dnt have to. there's always enough freighter pilots out there that like to pretend they've tried and tested all the methods mentioned here, but really just mindlessly afk.

u think uedema is the only route to jita without having to travel through low sec? this alone shows that u haven't even bothered to try alternate routes. one route i know off the top of my head is through gallente space. it will take u to iyen oursta which does not take u through any gank heavy systems from amarr or minnie space. it takes longer, but the most dangerous system is probably perimeter, a very quiet system. i wouldnt promise it, but u may not even get targetted even with a few bil in ur hold along that route.

if u can bump a freighter 600km in 15 minutes, u must have a few machs. and like u said, u'd have to be carrying ridiculous amounts of money to warrant such efforts. ive seen freighters get ganked, and they were never bumped more than around 30km from the gate. the bumping simply prevents warping.

as far as double wrapping YOU are wrong again. you said there was a good chance of everything dropping, 50% is not a good chance, or at least there is an equally good chance of nothing dropping. ur expected drop is exactly the same (loot x probability of dropping).



are u like 5 years old or something...do u think i was born yesterday?



but if its so easy, and so common, how come my number hasnt come up from the thousands of times i've gone through such systems? i'm even quite often afk when im not carrying anything valuable? and why has my scout spotted goon inhabited systems with talos' on scan and a mach on gate?




yep, ganking is a legitimate part of the game, and it IS emergent gameplay along with thefts and scams. ask CCP. ganking could easily be stopped by not allowing u to fire weapons against non-agressors in high sec. it would be easy enough to do, especially now that there is a safety system on all ships preventing u from accidentally concording urself. like wise, concord response times could be instant, but they are slower in lower sec systems by design.

stop BS'ing

Hmmm, to go much beyond that into Gallente space you will need to cross one low sec system.

Don't get me wrong, it isn't a bad route for JFs. You go right up to the low sec systems, jump to one right next to Iyen-Ouster and then warp to the Perimeter gate and jump in, next system over Jita. There are several systems there in that area so people who want to try and gank the JF will have to be really on their toes...and chances are you can just ruin their day by logging off and watching Netflix for a couple of hours.

Hate to break it to you but perimeter is a major choke point system. It has not had a lot of activity lately, but used to be far worse than Uedama. Uedama is just the FOTM for ganking systems.

A choke point is a system generally connecting two regions, it is a spot where you have one gate connecting the two regions, and going around requires many more jumps only to get to another choke point system.

Iyen-Oursta > Perimeter is a choke point to Jita
Josameto > New Caldari is a choke point to Jita - Not a region gate but much of the forge connects to Jita thru here.
Urlen > Perimeter is a choke point to Jita
Sobaseki > Jita is a choke point
Uedama >< Sivala is a Choke point But still leaves you to go thru Perimeter before getting to Jita. To avoid Udeama you can go thru Urlen but still land in Perimeter before getting to Jita. Or the Halaima > Sarekuwa choke point (the way I go) which then leaves you to two possible routes to Jita.

There are many ways into Jita, But every routes takes you through at least 1 Choke point.

The reason I believe Uedama has become so popular is because if your target is heading to Jita, and they get away, you can still catch them in Perimeter.

I do not disagree that there are other routes to Jita. But every other route takes you thru at least one Chokepoint. There are actually routes from both sides of Uedama, It just seems to get a lot of traffic.

so it USED to be a dangerous system...but it isn't now. ok thats cool.

just naming every system attached to jita and calling it a choke point is a bit inordinate. they are more dangerous systems than say jufvitte no doubt. but can they be considered choke points since they are all as equally accessible...there is no choking lol. they are also higher security systems, so although ganking smaller un tanked ships may be common, it would take considerable more effort to gank freighters in them.

and yes, there are no ganks in low sec, there are only gate camps. and if u send ur scout in first and see no camp, u can get through with a freighter fairly safely. and escorts are immeasurably more effective in low sec than hi-sec.

insta locking tackers and bumpers are immediately obvious in low sec as oppose to being inconspicuous like they are in hi-sec, AND they can be attacked. so all that whining that concord does not attack bumpers...well in low sec u can do it urself, before the freighter is even in system.

Can you achieve the same by having a defensive fleet flying with the freighter?

fair?
how?
it is an empty freighter , costs more than the ships needed to gank it , how is that fair?