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Sentry Drone Boat?

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Ormand Antollare
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-04-05 03:54:12 UTC
Hey guys I am still pretty new to the game but I had an idea for doing something a little different. Would it be viable to have a sentry drone boat? Ideally I want to rely on sentry drones alone for combat. But maybe that is not enough damage and I'd probably have guns on my ship anyhoo. Also is there a ship that can handle 5 sentry drones at once? Thanks for your feedback.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#2 - 2013-04-05 04:19:37 UTC
The Ishtar is more or less designed just for this. Gila, Dominix, and Rattlesnake are all capable. The Myrmidon is no slouch at this point either but can only field 4. Proteus can do fine fielding 4 as well.
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-04-05 04:19:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Antillie Sa'Kan
Yes, the Dominix, Ishtar, and Rattlesnake all come to mind as dedicated drone boats that can do exactly what you are looking for. The Megathron, Typhoon, and Armageddon can also field a full flight of sentries although they are not drone boats.
Rynnik
Evasion Gaming
The Ancients.
#4 - 2013-04-05 04:23:50 UTC
Once these changes go through this summer: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=219607&find=unread
the Navy Vexor may be in a very good place as a 5 drone, sentry boat. The 5% tracking per level will be pretty huge for damage application.
Ormand Antollare
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-04-05 04:39:00 UTC
Oh wow, so you guys are saying it is doable! That's awesome. Oh one more thing though: can you guys give me an idea of the kinds of damage I'll be doing with those things?
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-04-05 04:46:20 UTC
Ormand Antollare wrote:
Oh wow, so you guys are saying it is doable! That's awesome. Oh one more thing though: can you guys give me an idea of the kinds of damage I'll be doing with those things?

It depends greatly on your skills and what kind of drones are used.
Gardes II with max skills can exceed 700 DPS on a bonused ship with max skills and 3 DDAs. I'd just recommend you to pick up EFT/PYFA and check it out for your skills and ship/fit of choice.
Baggo Hammers
#7 - 2013-04-05 04:52:16 UTC
It is more than doable, it the most PVE drone damage......

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Ormand Antollare
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-04-05 04:58:33 UTC
Ok but what if I just had 5 wardens and no extra skill, just prereq's.

I would like to maximize their range. Or there too huge of a dps drawback to that? Are all sentries good or no?
Hakaimono
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-04-05 05:13:22 UTC
Wardens have the longest range. Gardes deal the most raw damage. However each drone does deals a different damage type. Curator is EM, Garde is therm, bouncer is exp, and warden does kinetic.
Maximizing range can be done with Omnis fitted on your ship.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#10 - 2013-04-05 06:02:39 UTC
Hakaimono wrote:
Wardens have the longest range. Gardes deal the most raw damage. However each drone does deals a different damage type. Curator is EM, Garde is therm, bouncer is exp, and warden does kinetic.
Maximizing range can be done with Omnis fitted on your ship.


This. Wardens have absurd range, Gardes have absurd damage. The others are in between. Notably, Curators are actually worthwhile, unlike all other Amarr drones.

Omnidirectional tracking links increase optimal and tracking of all drones, but are particularly useful for sentry drones.

Drone link augmentors are also critical with sentries (or at least with Wardens). These increase the range at which you can tell your drones to kill a target. With skills alone this caps out at 60km (20km base + 25km from Scout Drone Operation 5 + 15km from EWAR Drone Interfacing 5). The Ishtar's bonus can take this to 85km, but generally DLAs are needed beyond 60.

Drone damage amplifiers are, of course, very nice here.

If you're serious about this, plan to get T2 sentries sooner than later. They're way better than T1.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#11 - 2013-04-05 06:22:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Tauranon
Ormand Antollare wrote:
Oh wow, so you guys are saying it is doable! That's awesome. Oh one more thing though: can you guys give me an idea of the kinds of damage I'll be doing with those things?


I recently changed my dominix fit over to 3 DDA IIs, which I also use for ishtars in situations where they won't get shot back. Ingame and EFT reports ~750 drone dps with garde IIs, optimal ~45km.

However, it takes much longer for NPCs to start shooting your drones if you are doing significant damage with your battleship weapons. ie my dominix does a total of 1080 dps now counting failguns and drones, (1120 with hybrid implants), armor fit.
Decaneos
Casalt Corp
CAStabouts
#12 - 2013-04-05 15:46:36 UTC
i have a navy domi, combine sentrys with a micro jump drive and you will be laughing as tank will be a minimal issue then, tho i dont suggest you go with out one :P
Marsan
#13 - 2013-04-05 16:31:06 UTC
Don't forget about the micro jump drive if you use a BS. When things get too close pulling your drones, jump forward 100, pop out your drones and burn them as they close again.

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-04-05 18:43:36 UTC
Wishing for tech 2 myrmidon hull still with 125 bandwidth
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#15 - 2013-04-05 19:07:47 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Wishing for tech 2 myrmidon hull still with 125 bandwidth


Rumor has it the Eos will be along those lines after CSs get revamped. Although I do hope it keeps the Brutix hull.
Hakaimono
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2013-04-05 19:25:34 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Wishing for tech 2 myrmidon hull still with 125 bandwidth


Rumor has it the Eos will be along those lines after CSs get revamped. Although I do hope it keeps the Brutix hull.

Drone Command Ships....I am liking this.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-04-06 00:03:38 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Wishing for tech 2 myrmidon hull still with 125 bandwidth


Rumor has it the Eos will be along those lines after CSs get revamped. Although I do hope it keeps the Brutix hull.


But the Myrm is so much more aesthetically pleasing than the brutix ......



Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#18 - 2013-04-06 07:38:13 UTC
Would make sense for Astarte to keep resemblance to Brutix, and Eos to Myrm.

Resemblance, because I think they should really invest the manhours to come up with truly unique designs based on the T1 versions. Like Tristan/Nemesis.

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EndersChild
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-04-06 09:38:27 UTC
Change all the 3 link hulls on the CS, keeping the current/proposed stats on the new models

Damnation = Harbinger hull
Vulture = Drake hull
Eos = Myrmidon hull
Claymore = Hurricane hull

Agree with some strong resemblance but modified rather than just a new paint job

Losing the Prophecy hull on the Damnation would pain me a one of the sexiest in game, but total gain over the class would be interesting
DeLindsay
Galaxies Fall
#20 - 2013-04-09 03:23:39 UTC
Barrogh Habalu wrote:
Ormand Antollare wrote:
Oh wow, so you guys are saying it is doable! That's awesome. Oh one more thing though: can you guys give me an idea of the kinds of damage I'll be doing with those things?

It depends greatly on your skills and what kind of drones are used.
Gardes II with max skills can exceed 700 DPS on a bonused ship with max skills and 3 DDAs. I'd just recommend you to pick up EFT/PYFA and check it out for your skills and ship/fit of choice.


800 DPS is the max (well max as far as any more wasted slots/rigs). (4) DDA's is actually more dps than a 3rd w/e else dmg module, meaning the normal 3 DDA / 3 MagStab (or 3 BCU for Rattlesnake). Forget the Sentry Rig unless you have no choice, it's very under powered compared to the Drone Damage Amplifier (Low slot Drone Upgrade). Due to the nature of the NPC AI now, Drone aggro is an issue. You have to actually pay attention to your Drones, where before you didn't at all. This is a good thing, too many players "play" the game AFK or try to, and really what's the point.

Also, with the correct setup and skills, your Guarde II's can take full aggro from a dozen or so NPCs including BS's (it requires you pay attention and have a RR in a high slot). BTW, at your low skills, T1 Sentries will be underwhelming. It really does take T2 Sentries for you to really see the carnage they can do.

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