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TheExtruder
TheExtruder Corporation
#1 - 2011-10-31 07:56:29 UTC  |  Edited by: TheExtruder
Now that CCP has changed around its priorities, is there any chance that they will consider making just a few important adjustments/changes to the game that will support eveonline to be part of eSports, live broadcasting and professional gaming? Eve is a great sci-fi game, perfect for competitive gaming, I think the Alliance Tournaments prove just how phenomenal they are.

I believe this is worth considering because its basically free advertisement and free exposure.

thoughts?
Demon View
Doomheim
#2 - 2011-10-31 07:59:07 UTC
TheExtruder wrote:
just a few important adjustments/changes


Such as?
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2011-10-31 08:30:53 UTC
Demon View wrote:
TheExtruder wrote:
just a few important adjustments/changes


Such as?


arenas of course Twisted
Kellyl
Integrity.
#4 - 2011-10-31 08:32:48 UTC
Eve pvp is rarely in a controlled environment, and placing arbitrary limits on fleet comp (points values, etc) smacks of the oversimplification of wow and its crappy arena system


Not in my eve thanks.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#5 - 2011-10-31 08:36:05 UTC
If you were actually interested in running esports events in EVE you could do it already. The only major limiting factor is the inability of entire fleets to suddenly go red to eachother all at once.
TheExtruder
TheExtruder Corporation
#6 - 2011-10-31 08:37:58 UTC  |  Edited by: TheExtruder
Demon View wrote:
TheExtruder wrote:
just a few important adjustments/changes


Such as?


one can take inspiration from esports leading games such as starcraft2 for example

- Alot more statistics will be needed for the commentators and viewers to check out, easily accessible info about the pilots and their ships/fitting of choice. (I believe 3rd party programs could be of use too)

- Regular organized tournaments, a ladder system, prizes (this is eve, atleast half the prizes can be ingame rewards, so its not all about real cash)

- CCP would probably need to (initially, just to get things started) recruit a whole staff to handle the esports department. Its a whole thing, but the good news is that there are already many passionate people for this sort of work, so in a way this is the easy part.

- Since eve is very unique game. Obviously it would help if there existed a slightly different platform where the people who sign up to compete professionally can more easily be 'summoned' to the arenas, events and also have easier access to resources such as ships/items. (corporate sponsorship?)

Big smile
Vyl Vit
#7 - 2011-10-31 08:57:46 UTC
This sounds pretty fabulous at first blush. Unfortunately, it's crafting another game from the makings of EVE. It's taking EVE ships, categorizing them such as in boxing - heavy, middle, welter weights, creating a ring (arena) and having a slug-fest. I can see how the prospect might be tantalizing for someone into that kind of thing. One might consider, though, that the EVE environment is attractive to people who aren't into that kind of thing.

I ran a competitive clan in Battlefield 2 for three years. Our competitions, however, were not organized, refereed or managed by EA Games. Team Warfare League (TWL) and The Cyber Athletic League (CAL) put the manpower and elbow grease into creating a tiered, progressive and even professional tournament structure. What allowed them to do that was the independent server quality of the Battlefield series. The key point here is EA Games had little to nothing to do with it, and wouldn't have bothered with such an enterprise as it has nothing to do with the business they're in.

What you propose would involve CCP creating a server for the sole purpose of said competition. Then (after that expense), they would have to pay personnel to devise, engineer, operate, manage and referee the competitions. On top of that, what monetary winnings are available in clan competition with BF2 (for instance) is raised from advertisers. Your idea would then lead to the commercialization of the EVE sandbox to fund your dream.

Considering CCP just laid-off a considerable amount of people, I find it unrealistic to expect them to hire an equivalent amount of people to run what is obviously an expensive, non-profit enterprise to satisfy the desires of someone who's randomly come along and once again (as is the habit of many a genius gamer) suddenly thought of a brilliant idea to make the game "better."

I hasten to add, CCP is not searching for another direction. They aren't in limbo wondering what to do next. If you're trying to interpret the results of the recent uproar, that had to do with trying to do too much at once, not having run out of ideas. However, your idea has merit. It would be interesting to see such a game. I'd like to see the one you have in mind when it's released, but I suspect that will never happen as your idea is for someone else to do something for you, not for you to see something come into being...if you catch my drift.


Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.

TheExtruder
TheExtruder Corporation
#8 - 2011-10-31 09:04:37 UTC
Kellyl wrote:
Eve pvp is rarely in a controlled environment, and placing arbitrary limits on fleet comp (points values, etc) smacks of the oversimplification of wow and its crappy arena system


Not in my eve thanks.


I dont agree with you at all there. You are way to comfortable living in your own little pond my friend, come join us in the bigger pond lol. And nobody is talking about a controlled environment, if anything its a more organized environment, where people can professionally organize regular events, and professional killaz showing off their skills. So in a way you are right, it is a platform (arena) but its a non-existent one, because its not like we will put a bunch of people into a little box and tell them they will have to obey different game mechanics lolRoll
Vyl Vit
#9 - 2011-10-31 09:10:57 UTC
TheExtruder wrote:
Kellyl wrote:
Eve pvp is rarely in a controlled environment, and placing arbitrary limits on fleet comp (points values, etc) smacks of the oversimplification of wow and its crappy arena system


Not in my eve thanks.


I dont agree with you at all there. You are way to comfortable living in your own little pond my friend, come join us in the bigger pond lol. And nobody is talking about a controlled environment, if anything its a more organized environment, where people can professionally organize regular events, and professional killaz showing off their skills. So in a way you are right, it is a platform (arena) but its a non-existent one, because its not like we will put a bunch of people into a little box and tell them they will have to obey different game mechanics lolRoll


Okay. Who's stopping you? Albeit. If you throw-down somewhere and have your friendly joust, someone might come along and **** on your party. But, that's EVE, the home of the sociopath. Such badasses as yourself should find it no problem to arrange for your party's security. As for prize money? You have a wallet, don't you?

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.

TheExtruder
TheExtruder Corporation
#10 - 2011-10-31 09:13:41 UTC
Vyl Vit wrote:


I ran a competitive clan in Battlefield 2 for three years. Our competitions, however, were not organized, refereed or managed by EA Games. Team Warfare League (TWL) and The Cyber Athletic League (CAL) put the manpower and elbow grease into creating a tiered, progressive and even professional tournament structure. What allowed them to do that was the independent server quality of the Battlefield series. The key point here is EA Games had little to nothing to do with it, and wouldn't have bothered with such an enterprise as it has nothing to do with the business they're in.




This is true. But I dont know if you know, that a game called League of Legends is currently having a very successful campaign, where they very heavily, as a company invest into esports, having a big and really solid staff working on that part. They get alot of exposure in big events, they are part of a pretty shiny organization called majorleaguegaming now too. I really dont like this game even, totally a DotA ripoff, but still this game manages to sticks around, which is nothing but impressive. This is a fine example of what a little investment into a staff that handles esports can do for the game, its really quite something. The amount of exposure you get is phenomenal, the industry is growing rapidly.
TheExtruder
TheExtruder Corporation
#11 - 2011-10-31 09:22:06 UTC  |  Edited by: TheExtruder
Vyl Vit wrote:
TheExtruder wrote:
Kellyl wrote:
Eve pvp is rarely in a controlled environment, and placing arbitrary limits on fleet comp (points values, etc) smacks of the oversimplification of wow and its crappy arena system


Not in my eve thanks.


I dont agree with you at all there. You are way to comfortable living in your own little pond my friend, come join us in the bigger pond lol. And nobody is talking about a controlled environment, if anything its a more organized environment, where people can professionally organize regular events, and professional killaz showing off their skills. So in a way you are right, it is a platform (arena) but its a non-existent one, because its not like we will put a bunch of people into a little box and tell them they will have to obey different game mechanics lolRoll


Okay. Who's stopping you? Albeit. If you throw-down somewhere and have your friendly joust, someone might come along and **** on your party. But, that's EVE, the home of the sociopath. Such badasses as yourself should find it no problem to arrange for your party's security. As for prize money? You have a wallet, don't you?


sure yeah, i have a wallet.Blink
I find your argument of 'why dont you do it already' a little silly, because as i've already stated eve is lacking certain key things in order to be able to compete with other games in the world of esports.
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#12 - 2011-10-31 09:24:44 UTC
It would be ******** changing the game only for it to fit for eSports.

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude

TheExtruder
TheExtruder Corporation
#13 - 2011-10-31 09:29:25 UTC  |  Edited by: TheExtruder
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
It would be ******** changing the game only for it to fit for eSports.


not true my friend, its already been done successfully, look at alliance tournaments.

Its funny how during the alliance tournaments, because eve was lacking 'more statistics' the commentators were struggling to have relevant things to say. I'de say that a good UI and nice statistics is the key to getting the whole esports thing started.
Vyl Vit
#14 - 2011-10-31 09:39:27 UTC
TheExtruder wrote:
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
It would be ******** changing the game only for it to fit for eSports.


not true my friend, its already been done successfully, look at alliance tournaments.

Its funny how during the alliance tournaments, because eve was lacking 'more statistics' the commentators were struggling to have relevant things to say. I'de say that a good UI and nice statistics is the key to getting the whole esports thing started.


Don't confuse you with facts, your mind is made up. I get it.
But, you failed to respond to my first post which laid out in detail why your idea isn't workable.

Therefore, if you persist in your ambition, you'd have to cobble something together yourself (obviously), and have to work within existing parameters. I somehow doubt you'd be able to work that out for yourself for obvious reasons, though.

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.

Skopia
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#15 - 2011-10-31 09:50:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Skopia
If arenas existed in eve, pvp would move from the actual world to the arenas for "goodfights". While good fights are good as such, the arenas would cause the world to feel empty. You know what I mean if you compare the orignal world of warcraft to the expansions. All you will find in the actual world will be ISK-makers such as ratters, plexers, miners. Do you really want a lobby and a matchmaking system in this game?


Positive:
- goodfites

Negative:
- No sandbox, the game becomes a sandbox with rules, think streetfight where you can use bricks and baseball-bats vs boxing/mma
- Alot of whine concerning balance (Example: We cannot break eachothers tank because of guardians, nerf nerf nerf)
- Empty world
- Less drama

TLDR:
Go play sc2 or wow
TheExtruder
TheExtruder Corporation
#16 - 2011-10-31 10:02:13 UTC  |  Edited by: TheExtruder
Vyl Vit wrote:


Considering CCP just laid-off a considerable amount of people, I find it unrealistic to expect them to hire an equivalent amount of people to run what is obviously an expensive, non-profit enterprise to satisfy the desires of someone who's randomly come along and once again (as is the habit of many a genius gamer) suddenly thought of a brilliant idea to make the game "better."




Sorry I didnt get to comment on much of what you said yet, you say alot of interesting things..

I do believe ccp is more concerned about their values, worrying about things like hiring people is not something that is in tune with manifesting their big visions for the game.

So if esports happens to be in tune with the company's vision and values, who are we to question it. I'm simply putting this idea out there, I am not in any way 'a genius gamer who is trying to make the game better' lol, I am simply a fan of esports and I loved watching the alliance tourneys.
TheExtruder
TheExtruder Corporation
#17 - 2011-10-31 10:09:12 UTC
Skopia wrote:
If arenas existed in eve, pvp would move from the actual world to the arenas for "goodfights". While good fights are good as such, the arenas would cause the world to feel empty. You know what I mean if you compare the orignal world of warcraft to the expansions. All you will find in the actual world will be ISK-makers such as ratters, plexers, miners. Do you really want a lobby and a matchmaking system in this game?


Positive:
- goodfites

Negative:
- No sandbox, the game becomes a sandbox with rules, think streetfight where you can use bricks and baseball-bats vs boxing/mma
- Alot of whine concerning balance (Example: We cannot break eachothers tank because of guardians, nerf nerf nerf)
- Empty world
- Less drama

TLDR:
Go play sc2 or wow


lol you are quick to say I should go play another game, but you dont even bother to have a proper discussion first. For one, you cant be right about people wanting to drop the sandbox for the professional gaming arenas.
One simple reason is because how will they support their careers in the arena? and if you think about it, if you are looking to make nice money you go into 0.0 and once you are there people will want to fight you for that ground... so you cant avoid the sandbox even if you are very dedicated to make money for your esport career.