EVE General Discussion

Well it's like this.

I like to have sex.

Fair enough. Right? Who doesn't?


But would I force a woman to do it with me, against her will? Is it still sex at that point? You know, the use of violence to subdue them, having to deal with the screams, the begging, pleading, blood perhaps.

That does not really float my boat. I fact describing such an action on my part makes me feel uncomfortable.


But still, there are people that make the mistake of thinking that:
- being horny
- being a man

equals forced sex acts. But in fact, it takes a certain kind of man to enjoy such a thing.

If there was any correctness to the assumption of the two points, there would not be a civilization right now - just people living in caves and a lot of scared women and children.

So EvE is supposed to be a PVP game. Even if you don't shoot anything, it's still PVP. Markets, out-producing your opponents in meeting market demands, being able to find exploration content faster - it's all PVP in one way or another.

Now, going on the assumptions:
- EvE is a PVP game
- people who play EvE want PVP

I like PVP - in many ways. I trespass everywhere and run exploration sites under the noses of people who could do a CTA just to catch and gank me. Seldom shoot anybody, but get what I come for regardless. If there is any locking of ships as targets, it's because I screwed up. Keep nuets and ecm drones for that mistake.

Now, if PVP for me were like forced sex, having to force it on people who didn't want it, is it enjoyable?

I made the case that liking sex does not make one want to force it, and liking PVP does not make you want to force it..


yet there are those who relish more in the grief than the PVP.

But if you ask them, they will make the case that is based on the wrong assumption of forced sex: that the desire for "it" will cause it.

It is, in many ways, like trying to understand a child molester. Who looks at a kid and thinks "hmmm - give me some of that?"


I knew a woman some years ago who, by bad luck, was very small. She was about 4' tall and sounded like a kid. She looked and sounded like a kid, but was in fact over 30. That's life.


So one day, I ask her : "do you get a lot of chesters trying to date you because you seem like a child to a lot of people?"

The answer, to my surprise, was no.

You see, she was over 30, an adult. If you got her in the bedroom, it's because she wanted to be there.

She would not be appealing to a pervert - it's not about "give me some sex".

It's all about having someone in a situation they don't want to be in, and if they beg or get angry, relish in that.


If I could have it that the world was totally lacking in chesters and asshats and EvE online becomes a kill fest, with people ganking you right out of the station and screaming "Does that bother you? UMAD? C'mon UMAD? Tell me!!!1!" I would consider that a good trade. The world would be a better place.

CCP means "Crowd Control Productions". The world, as it goes to crap, is filling up with people who are like those perverts - they will allow us to think that being horney causes it, like wanting PVP causes it, to keep their real sickness under the radar. CCP's product gives creeps something to do. Go to any blog sites of those players who say "hey, it's just a game" and read what they post, and you will see that they relish so much in bothering someone else, they will make a youtube about it and brag about it. Did they want PVP or did they want someone to suffer? They will say they want PVP.


And like a sex pervert sociopath, blame it on the victim. There's a lot of blame on the victim in these forums. It's your fault that you didn't fit enough tank! Yes, it's also the last sexual assault victims fault for wearing that dress so late at night too?

Every ganked hulk is one less new car getting keyed. Every neckbeard in mom's basement flaming a fleet member in vent ifor making a mistake is one less moron at the pub who wants to fight you for the crime of accidentally looking at him. Every internet based 3D construct representing a spaceship that is destroyed in rather dastardly ways means one less couple on a sidewalk having bottles thrown at them by a passing car full of nevergetlaidoids. ... because the latter are logged into EvE and gate camping somewhere.

I support CCP's product.


And every time I post a creepy rant here is one less person in the real world getting bored to death.

Sad but true. The excuse that "this is a sandbox" is overused and lame.
Eve brings out the worst in Humanity, because those that have no morals ingame are unable to be azzwipes in Real Life.

As we all know, in a sandbox MMO game you should be able to do what you like to whom you like.

However, this doesn't mean there is no consequence to your actions. If you fly around a particular low sec area griefing the crap outta all the newbies you see, not only will your sec status probably drop, but you will gain a reputation and chances are that most of those newbies will remember your name or your corps name. The risk vs reward is always there.

Because if you really want through this gate, you'll pay 200 million to the people who keep it secure. I keep space secure for people who have a large enough bank roll to need it secure.

You seem to mix things up and I believe it would be best for you if you played less computer games and spend more time IRL. Just saying!

Do you believe that Ice Hockey, American football & Rugby players should be charged with assault, robbery with violence, conspiracy to commit assault, and in the case of hockey players, assault with a weapon? The coaches might well be charged with incitement as well as conspiracy, too.

(They cross state lines - even national borders - to commit these crimes, too! That makes it a Federal offence in America!)

*nods in agreement and passes popcorn to Cozmik R5*

Works both ways: anyone who hides behind “they're sociopaths", “I wasn't doing anything" or “it's illegal IRL" is a moral and intellectual coward trying to pass off blame for their own mistakes and poor choices (and accountability) onto a third party. They chose to play a full-PvP game, and then chose not to prepare for the eventuality of being engaged in PvP. That's their actions and 100% their choice - it just turned out to be a horribly bad choice and they're experiencing the consequences of that choice.

And the reason Ieave out “innocent" is because I do not live under the delusion that anyone in EVE is innocent, most certainly not the resource gatherers who make it all possible...

What if I told you that I work as a dentist IRL and that I get off on the pain I inflict?

Where you make your mistake is in assuming they have a morality to leave at the log-in screen. A recent study demonstrated that 85% of the Western Civ population is sociopathic. There's two types though. The major type is the chicken sociopath. They're too scared of the hangman's noose, electric chair and those neat little needles to actually act out their mentality. Only a small handful go balls to the wall and do the do.

In EVE you get the perfect environment for these affected people to act out what they're too chicken to do in real life. What's more, with CCP's odd view on morality (which is non-existent) they have no one to answer to that can pull a switch on them, so they get to heap abuse on the objects of their sociopathic behavior as icing on the cake. All they can think of to say, however, is that mundane, painfully boring rationalization that it's "not against the rules, loser."

I wouldn't worry about the game. I'd be more concerned with the safety of "advanced" civilization itself. You see. These people ARE this "society". You're encountering them in this game, but they also live in the real world. Frightening thought, isn't it? But, hey, it's Halloween. BOO!

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