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Dheeradj Nurgle
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#41 - 2013-04-03 22:12:46 UTC
You are welcome to bring your ships to K-6k16. We will of course welcome you in Burning our Home.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2013-04-03 22:14:41 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Mining ships are like healers. They're really good for their role, but put them into a tank/DPS role they would die.

It's very clear what mining ships can and can't do, and CCP made sure those ships couldn't have dual roles.

I guess that's why a properly setup mining barge tanks almost like a BS.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#43 - 2013-04-03 22:44:15 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Mining ships are like healers. They're really good for their role, but put them into a tank/DPS role they would die.

It's very clear what mining ships can and can't do, and CCP made sure those ships couldn't have dual roles.

I guess that's why a properly setup mining barge tanks almost like a BS.

Pretty sure the goal there was to make it so an improperly set up barge can tank like a battlecruiser so that miners don't have to do anything to avoid being killed.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2013-04-03 23:19:09 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Mining ships are like healers. They're really good for their role, but put them into a tank/DPS role they would die.

It's very clear what mining ships can and can't do, and CCP made sure those ships couldn't have dual roles.

I guess that's why a properly setup mining barge tanks almost like a BS.


And like a healer, can't DPS.

Do you know the outcome?

Podded.

And what this Goon isn't saying: those EHP numbers doesn't come from gear, it's skills. So any miner going that route is the AFKer who's main activity is PvP with the level 5 skills, too.

So if you see a Goon, understand they BS and do it h-a-r-d.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2013-04-03 23:24:05 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
And like a healer, can't DPS.

Do you know the outcome?

Podded.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndWUlntJ58U

That was 5 years ago, the barges are even tankier now.

Ace Uoweme wrote:
And what this Goon isn't saying: those EHP numbers doesn't come from gear, it's skills.

Bullshit from start to finish, those "EHP numbers" come from actually fitting tanking modules onto your mining barge.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2013-04-03 23:27:30 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Pretty sure the goal there was to make it so an improperly set up barge can tank like a battlecruiser so that miners don't have to do anything to avoid being killed.


With the lack of mids, the "tank" would be pretty lacking anyway on anything but an Orca.

And we all know how any mining ships/command ore ships fare even tanked in PvP. They can survive a short time, but it's delaying the ineviable, unless DPS and support arrives in time (and proper DPS and support ships).

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2013-04-03 23:28:53 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Bullshit from start to finish


Yep, Goons in a nutshell!

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2013-04-03 23:35:54 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Bullshit from start to finish


Yep, Goons in a nutshell!

"I got pistolwhipped so I'm going to selectively quote and pretend I win"

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2013-04-03 23:42:44 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
"I got pistolwhipped so I'm going to selectively quote and pretend I win"


Speaking tongues again? Lol

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Grendel Sickswitch
#50 - 2013-04-04 00:43:51 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:


Even Orcs would make a more compelling argument. Ugh



Ace Uoweme wrote:
Mocam wrote:
The mindset and play styles don't match and trying to convince a large group of "do my own thing" types to form up into a cohesive fleet isn't gonna end well even if you could coordinate such an effort.


That has some truth. Unless they're used to raiding, which is what Fleet mechanics essentially are.

Any miner of that mindset can figure out the command structure; roles; mechanics and how to move/fight in fleet pretty quickly.

But going in as a miner only fleet it's going to end up as a total disaster even if they can max tank and equip weapons and ECM or fighter bombers. Just like trying to form a PvP fleet without the necessary support.


get your coat, leave, and never come back.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2013-04-04 00:54:01 UTC
Grendel Sickswitch wrote:
get your coat, leave, and never come back.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQcccIfy7mE

Twisted

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2013-04-04 01:24:07 UTC
Grendel Sickswitch wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:


Even Orcs would make a more compelling argument. Ugh



Ace Uoweme wrote:
Mocam wrote:
The mindset and play styles don't match and trying to convince a large group of "do my own thing" types to form up into a cohesive fleet isn't gonna end well even if you could coordinate such an effort.


That has some truth. Unless they're used to raiding, which is what Fleet mechanics essentially are.

Any miner of that mindset can figure out the command structure; roles; mechanics and how to move/fight in fleet pretty quickly.

But going in as a miner only fleet it's going to end up as a total disaster even if they can max tank and equip weapons and ECM or fighter bombers. Just like trying to form a PvP fleet without the necessary support.


get your coat, leave, and never come back.


Actually I think I'd like "raiding" in the game. it's kind of there but not done often due to how a lot of mechanics works - we just tend to call such activities by a different names "going on a roam" style comments.

Bounce through a gate camp with 20 ships - do this for a few days and check the forums for the "blob" whine threads from the hung-over gate campers that were used to just sitting there drunk while fluffing their KB.

Other ways I'd like to see it working are more like empowering Bops. Bounce in ... lets say a mix of 30 bombers plus 30 Recons & T3's into a target system, stomp the hell out of POS's, SOV units, straggling ratters/miners and such - and get out quickly but where trashing that stuff actually yields some fairly valuable drops for the raiders.

Yeah I wouldn't mind seeing "raiding" actually work better in the game - a lot better than it does.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2013-04-04 01:54:46 UTC
Mocam wrote:

Actually I think I'd like "raiding" in the game. it's kind of there but not done often due to how a lot of mechanics works - we just tend to call such activities by a different names "going on a roam" style comments.

Bounce through a gate camp with 20 ships - do this for a few days and check the forums for the "blob" whine threads from the hung-over gate campers that were used to just sitting there drunk while fluffing their KB.

Other ways I'd like to see it working are more like empowering Bops. Bounce in ... lets say a mix of 30 bombers plus 30 Recons & T3's into a target system, stomp the hell out of POS's, SOV units, straggling ratters/miners and such - and get out quickly but where trashing that stuff actually yields some fairly valuable drops for the raiders.

Yeah I wouldn't mind seeing "raiding" actually work better in the game - a lot better than it does.


Better to have small, medium, large, X-large and world "boss" roams.

Small is like a dungeon size. Medium is like a 10man raid. Large is like a 25man raid. X-Large like a 40man. World boss is like seen in RIFT with the dynamic bosses.

5 years sitting on a throne is a tad long. Time for some Ex-Lax.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Tesal
#54 - 2013-04-04 03:42:49 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Mocam wrote:

Actually I think I'd like "raiding" in the game. it's kind of there but not done often due to how a lot of mechanics works - we just tend to call such activities by a different names "going on a roam" style comments.

Bounce through a gate camp with 20 ships - do this for a few days and check the forums for the "blob" whine threads from the hung-over gate campers that were used to just sitting there drunk while fluffing their KB.

Other ways I'd like to see it working are more like empowering Bops. Bounce in ... lets say a mix of 30 bombers plus 30 Recons & T3's into a target system, stomp the hell out of POS's, SOV units, straggling ratters/miners and such - and get out quickly but where trashing that stuff actually yields some fairly valuable drops for the raiders.

Yeah I wouldn't mind seeing "raiding" actually work better in the game - a lot better than it does.


Better to have small, medium, large, X-large and world "boss" roams.

Small is like a dungeon size. Medium is like a 10man raid. Large is like a 25man raid. X-Large like a 40man. World boss is like seen in RIFT with the dynamic bosses.

5 years sitting on a throne is a tad long. Time for some Ex-Lax.


You are one clever ************. Your posts are awesome.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#55 - 2013-04-04 03:50:02 UTC
Mocam wrote:

Other ways I'd like to see it working are more like empowering Bops. Bounce in ... lets say a mix of 30 bombers plus 30 Recons & T3's into a target system, stomp the hell out of POS's, SOV units, straggling ratters/miners and such - and get out quickly but where trashing that stuff actually yields some fairly valuable drops for the raiders.


I don't think you realize how much EHP this stuff has.
Frying Doom
#56 - 2013-04-04 04:08:37 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Mocam wrote:

Other ways I'd like to see it working are more like empowering Bops. Bounce in ... lets say a mix of 30 bombers plus 30 Recons & T3's into a target system, stomp the hell out of POS's, SOV units, straggling ratters/miners and such - and get out quickly but where trashing that stuff actually yields some fairly valuable drops for the raiders.


I don't think you realize how much EHP this stuff has.

Now that just depends on how you define quick. If it is in minutes, well your out of luck, but if quick is defined in hours and days, you are fine.Lol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2013-04-04 04:10:12 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
I don't think you realize how much EHP this stuff has.


If you understand "raids" you'll understand they're well aware of things like boss HP and associated mechanics. Mocam put up a good suggestion as well...raid loot. Because that's why PvErs raid -- LOOT!

PvPers kill for thrills, raiders kill for loot.

Sweeten the pie, any "carebear" will fight.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2013-04-04 04:14:52 UTC
"Make EVE World of Warcraft ... in spaaaaaaaace" - Ace Uoweme

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#59 - 2013-04-04 04:37:42 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
"Make EVE World of Warcraft ... in spaaaaaaaace" - Ace Uoweme


Ho noble space elf, shall we joust with our space... shafts.
pussnheels
Viziam
#60 - 2013-04-04 08:31:26 UTC
Derpster McDerp wrote:
I'v been thinkin, since all of dem fancy ol' nullseccers are complaining how high-sec should be removed, nerfed, and some other junk I don't really care about, why don't we go burn null sector 4040fploppolo-303-hurp-derp since dey burned Jita last year. It'll only be fair since dey shot dat big monument thingy and kill some people in protest and stuff last year. We should strike back and shoot some of der asteriods with our mining barges and teach those darn null sec people a lesson.

I am for serious.


as far i know only a few of those dem nullseccers want to see hs nerfed to death , the people that cry the hardest to nerf hs are hsseccers who only want easy targets to measure their epeen with but other wise avoid ls and 0 s as the plague because people actually shoot back there

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire